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Church News
10/12/18 02:31 PM
According to Archbishop Daniel (one of the two EP exarchs) there is supposed to be a congress of the bishops of UAOC, KP, and any bishops of the UOC who want to be there. This body would formulate the structure of the new church and elect a primate, at which point the new church will receive the Tomos of autocephaly from the EP.

What does that make these bishops now? Is Makariy still metropolitan? Is Filaret still Patriarch? This is where it's rather murky and confusing.

I think both MP and EP have conducted themselves very poorly in this matter.
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Church News
10/12/18 01:18 PM
Christ is in our midst!!

As I followed this news, it seems that the Ecumenical Patriarchate has recognized two groups: the former "Kiev Patriarchate" and the "Autocephalous" group. So two bodies that were not recognized prior to this date have both become canonical.

Does that mean that they will find their way together to form one?

Bob
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Church News
10/12/18 02:34 AM
Confirmed:

https://www.rferl.org/a/constantino...-ukrainian-orthodox-church/29538590.html


Ecumenical Patriarchate Agrees To Recognize Independence Of Ukrainian Church
Last Updated: October 11, 2018 20:27 GMT
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Church News
10/11/18 07:00 PM
I just read a report that His All-Holiness and the Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate has recognized the Ukrainian Orthodox Church's independence from the Moscow Patriarchate in the past few days. He has recognized the leader of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kievan Patriarchate as the canonical Orthodox Church on the territory of Ukraine.

Has anyone else seen this?

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The Ecumenical Patriarchate continues the procedure of granting autocephaly to the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, as stated in the decision made at the meeting of the Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, published on the Patriarchate's website. Following extensive deliberations, the Holy Synod decreed to "renew the decision already made that the Ecumenical Patriarchate proceed to the granting of Autocephaly to the Church of Ukraine," the decision says. The Synod has also decreed to "reestablish, at this moment, the Stavropegion of the Ecumenical Patriarch in Kyiv, one of its many Stavropegia in Ukraine that existed there always." It is decreed to "accept and review the petitions of appeal of Filaret Denisenko, Makariy Maletych and their followers, who found themselves in schism not for dogmatic reasons, in accordance with the canonical prerogatives of the Patriarch of Constantinople to receive such petitions by hierarchs and other clergy from all of the Autocephalous Churches. Thus, the above-mentioned have been canonically reinstated to their hierarchical or priestly rank, and their faithful have been restored to communion with the Church." ...To revoke the legal binding of the Synodal Letter of the year 1686, issued for the circumstances of that time, which granted the right through oikonomia to the Patriarch of Moscow to ordain the Metropolitan of Kyiv, elected by the Clergy-Laity Assembly of his eparchy, who would commemorate the Ecumenical Patriarch as the First hierarch at any celebration, proclaiming and affirming his canonical dependence to the Mother Church of Constantinople. The Holy Synod also appeals to all sides involved that they "avoid appropriation of Churches, Monasteries and other properties, as well as every other act of violence and retaliation, so that the peace and love of Christ may prevail." If you see a spelling error on our site, select it and press Ctrl+Enter

Read more on UNIAN: https://www.unian.info/society/1029...to-church-of-ukraine-synod-decision.html


There is also a mention that this action is on the website of the Ecumenical Patriarchate.

Bob
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Eparchial & Parish Events
10/11/18 02:43 PM
Never mind, I just looked it up. It is ACROD.
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Eparchial & Parish Events
10/11/18 02:40 PM
Is St. Nicholas in the ACROD diocese? In the past, Erie had a Romanian church, an OCA church, and a ROCOR church. Except for the ROCOR Old Believer church, the others are gone.
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Town Hall
10/11/18 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by Administrator
Then refuse to discuss any topic with her and use humor to dismiss her attempts. If she keeps after you then stop the conversation, tell her that you won't stay if she only wants to argue, and then ask her for a hug before you leave. Then leave.

My expectation is that it would not work at first but that eventually she'd give up trying to get your anger up. And if you are forced to leave she will find more respect for you and not push (since the price for pushing is not seeing you as often or for as long on each visit).

For you, at first you will be diffusing her with humor while boiling inside. But over time you will be able to control the anger.

John

Thank you, John! This gives me hope.
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Town Hall
10/11/18 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by theophan

No one must put himself or herself in a toxic situation. I've been there with family and in-laws. I avoid contact as much as possible and keep my peace about me--the peace that I know that Christ is in charge here and hereafter and that I can bear these challenges with His help. But I don't have to go looking for more frequent experiences of toxic situations.

The Enemy can use these to weaken our faith. Don't let him. Recognize what this is--pray for your mother and be kind--but don't think you must constantly subject yourself to this because of the 4th commandment of honoring our parents.

Bob

Yes this is part of my problem. The peace I found with Christ when I started praying has been lost, but not because of my mom, because I eventually brought back to Him situations in which I just don't know where His love was in our life.
I often feel like fighting both God and mom because they both make me feel guilty and not enough even if the one physically near me, mom, said that is the last thing she wants to make me feel bad.
I have to convince myself to stop trying to fix both my relationship with Him and her relationship with Him at the same time.

The Enemy has won for now (he has been visiting me in my dreams since the age of 5, trying to scare me, I am no longer scared of him just disgusted and sometimes feel sorry for him too) in his exercise to push me down. When I was 5 I dreamt him and he promised he'd "get me." I wish I could feel as energetic against The Enemy as most Christians are, and get happy to just overcome his attacks and be more assertive and take pleasure from winning a fight. But I just feel like I passively hate him and wish him to just be gone.
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Town Hall
10/11/18 11:07 AM
No special insights, but when the offices held by Fr Wes (Economos/Finance Officer) and Fr Francis (Judicial Vicar) became vacant as a result of their respective passings, those offices were timely filled respectively by Bishop Gerald and Bishop John with new appointments.

The public statements issued by Bishop John Pazak and Bishop Thomas Olmsted (which have been discussed on this forum) provided the background for the appointment of Bishop Thomas as Apostolic Administrator.
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Vespers, Matins & the Divine Liturgy
10/10/18 11:49 PM
Zhyve.tv (can also be found on YouTube) is a broadcaster of the UGCC.
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Books
10/10/18 10:02 PM
Can anyone point me to complete lists of the Recensione Rutena and Recensione Volgata books? I'd like to see how many gaps I have in my collection.
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Town Hall
10/10/18 08:35 PM
Originally Posted by Ecaterina
I know I owe her obedience because she is my mother and despite her beliefs I must show example of meekness at all times. This last Saturday after we argued regarding our country's Referendum on redefining the Constitution about marriage left me especially sad and tired and with an obsessive prelet that she is actually enjoying bringing me down (which can't be a vision from God who sent me to her to be her daughter in the first place and He makes no mistake).


Originally Posted by Ecaterina
I do not live with my mother. I visit her regularly and even so I feel some sort of guilt and pressure towards her every time she expresses her disappointment in my spiritual life. When I was teen and going to church and confession far more often than now she reacted the same way.


Ecaterina,

I'm sure that you are already praying for your mother and seeking the Lord's guidance on how to handle this difficult situation.

If this were me, I'd focus on treating her with respect, trying not to get angry, and using humor.

You might try to diffuse her verbal spars with humor. For example: "Mom, you know we disagree on this topic. I love you too much to argue with you, especially when I know you're wrong, (big smile) so let's talk about something else. Where shall we go for lunch?"

Then refuse to discuss any topic with her and use humor to dismiss her attempts. If she keeps after you then stop the conversation, tell her that you won't stay if she only wants to argue, and then ask her for a hug before you leave. Then leave.

My expectation is that it would not work at first but that eventually she'd give up trying to get your anger up. And if you are forced to leave she will find more respect for you and not push (since the price for pushing is not seeing you as often or for as long on each visit).

For you, at first you will be diffusing her with humor while boiling inside. But over time you will be able to control the anger.

John
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Town Hall
10/10/18 06:57 PM
Christ is in our midst!!

No one must put himself or herself in a toxic situation. I've been there with family and in-laws. I avoid contact as much as possible and keep my peace about me--the peace that I know that Christ is in charge here and hereafter and that I can bear these challenges with His help. But I don't have to go looking for more frequent experiences of toxic situations.

The Enemy can use these to weaken our faith. Don't let him. Recognize what this is--pray for your mother and be kind--but don't think you must constantly subject yourself to this because of the 4th commandment of honoring our parents.

Bob
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Town Hall
10/10/18 10:39 AM
@Teophan - thank you for your answer and prayers.
I am a full grown-up woman, not married and with no children, even if to my post seems childish, and I do not live with my mother. I visit her regularly and even so I feel some sort of guilt and pressure towards her every time she expresses her disappointment in my spiritual life. When I was teen and going to church and confession far more often than now she reacted the same way.

For some reason I have a weak spirit and sometimes I feel like my mother's words are being written inside me despite my will. I do not feel the same pressure from anyone else in my life.
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Town Hall
10/09/18 03:46 PM
Exegete:

Christ is in our midst!!

You can speculate all day long, but the bottom line is that Rome has intervened to preserve the unity of the BCC. Why this move was made is above our pay grade.

Bob
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Town Hall
10/09/18 03:43 PM
Ecaterina:

Christ is in our midst!!

There is much in your post so let me ask some questions first.

You don't say what your age is--are you still a minor child, dependent on your mother for your financial support? Do you live with your mother because you are dependent?

Both of your answers will let us know much more how to answer your questions to us.

You say "I must show example of meekness at all times" in your post. I think you may confuse "meekness"--also known as patience--with "respect." No one must be a doormat to be walked on or a punching bag to absorb another person's abuse. But your mother's behavior hinges on the answer to the above questions--whether you are a minor and whether you depend on her for support.

I suspect that your mother is baiting you to argue over one thing or another and this can be spiritually exhausting. If it were me, I'd try to change the conversation. You won't convert your mother by argument so it's up to you to just let this toxic habit go.

You shouldn't be afraid of priests; they are human like the rest of us, though granted grace by ordination to be our helpers, supporters, and the presence of Christ to us.

Be assured of my prayers.

Bob
Moderator
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Town Hall
10/08/18 01:37 PM
Please pray for me and my mother! She is declared atheist and feminist and is constantly showing anger and disappointment at me trying to get closer to the church I am baptized in (Romanian Eastern Orthodox Church) while she finds Christianity as a whole and Orthodoxy primarily as a symbol of the old patriarchate era in which women were abused and people brainwashed into faith. She is baptized too, same church, but found happiness in atheism. I try to avoid the subject but she insists on bringing it up. I know I owe her obedience because she is my mother and despite her beliefs I must show example of meekness at all times. This last Saturday after we argued regarding our country's Referendum on redefining the Constitution about marriage left me especially sad and tired and with an obsessive prelet that she is actually enjoying bringing me down (which can't be a vision from God who sent me to her to be her daughter in the first place and He makes no mistake).
I have been having strange dreams and there is a part of me now scared of priests, based on what she said, that constantly keeps my mind wander away every time I attempt to make my list of sins for my general confession that I definitely do need. I know I am the one to blame not her because it's my faith that is too small and my weakness not hers but I feel very down and disappointed in my people and country. I just feel so low as to personal prayer does not help any more.
Please pray our Lord Jesus Christ illumines me on how to handle this without creating more spiritual tension in my close family or any other intention you may seem fit.
Thank you in advance!
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Town Hall
10/08/18 06:16 AM
I was curious about what impact the loss of Archmandrite Wesley Izer (RIP) and Archimandrite Francis Vivona, JCL (RIP) has had on the Eparchy of Phoenix with regard to naming Bishop Thomas Olmsted of Phoenix as apostolic administrator of the eparchy?

From what I recall, Fr. Wes was sort of the eparchy's main financial guy and Fr. Francis was the eparchy's canonist?

Thank you for any insights.
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Eparchial & Parish Events
10/02/18 01:49 AM
I'm in the opposite corner of Pennsylvania, never got any closer to Eire than the Cranberry exit of the Turnpike.

Such piety is comforting and, in good time, will prove contagious.
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Town Hall
09/27/18 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by theophan
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I am trying my best to just fit right on in an adopt the customs. However,


Herein in your own words is the problem. You say you are "trying to fit in . . . However"; so you're not really... don't take an attitude that others should follow your lead when you are the newbie in the family.


I didn't get any sense of such an attitude in Ptaszek's post. It seems to me she just feels personally uncomfortable without something on her head.

There are a few older ladies at my ACROD parish that wear little lace things on their heads. Not quite mantillas... doilies, maybe? And occasionally ladies visiting from Eastern Europe will wear full headscarves. Yes, I think it's safe to say that some kind of head covering is traditional in Ruthenian churches, Catholic or Orthodox, even if the tradition is more or less in abeyance in the US. In the "old country" you will see many more women doing it but not 100% of them.
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Prayer
09/26/18 02:30 PM
May the Lord God grant to his servant, Presbytera Katina, a blessed repose in a place where there is no pain, no sorrow and no sighing, a place where there is life everlasting. Eternal Memory. Vi─Źnaja pamjat!
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Prayer
09/25/18 07:09 PM
Presbytera Katina reposed in the Lord on Aug 31st
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Town Hall
09/25/18 02:47 PM
LadyBlue:

Christ is in our midst!!

Part time sounds like a solution until you get into a large parish. What happens if the priest cannot get out of work to do a funeral during the week? What happens to emergencies that always come up?

I'm a funeral director by training and profession. After half a century of being on call 24/7, I can tell you that part time just does not work in some professions. I believe that clergy is a profession like mine from the many conversations I have had with clergy over the years, comparing notes about the demands of our jobs and lives. Just as i cannot tell a family whose loved one suddenly passes at home to wait until I get out of my other job, a priest cannot tell a family that a sudden call for someone suddenly hospitalized will have to wait.

The problem with Catholics is that they do not have the habit of tithing and sacrificial giving. Part of that may be the fact that there is no transparency about how much comes in where the money goes. If the laity had the ability to have meaningful input into parish budgets, that might eventually change. But, currently, the big payouts give the impression that the money is going to pay for past sins and people are angry about that.

Bob
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Town Hall
09/25/18 02:39 PM
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. . . the three year Maser of Divinity in a Residential Seminary . . .


Thomas the Seeker:

Christ is in our midst!!

I'm puzzled by this. The seminarians in my diocese have a six or seven year program that includes pre-theology before a four-year program of studies. An acquaintance of mine at the Archdiocesan seminary in Philadelphia told me his program is a year longer.

I think they still get an MDiv, but sound like it is longer than three years. ???

Bob
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Town Hall
09/24/18 10:14 PM
Originally Posted by Thomas the Seeker


More and more, it seems, the three year Master of Divinity in a Residential Seminary no longer fits the students or the needs of the church.


This is following the trend of some other professional education programs (social work, law, nursing, occupational therapy, etc.). I think new models for second career individuals or those who are making a change in career are going to expand and that the residential setting will become more rare or will make major adjustments to accommodate the non-traditional, more mature student.

The trick for all of these new models that involve services to others is the vetting process which is hard to do unless one sees the student and how he or she responds to various events on a daily basis. That's where the parish will have to take a stronger role, because online, part-time, and weekend education will not provide the information that comes from observing the student in a residential setting on a regular basis.
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