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Anglican Good Friday and Easter Vigil
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Since I still have a little ways until Easter  I visited the Church of the Epiphany (an Anglo-Catholic parish under the Diocese of the Holy Cross) here in Columbia, SC for their Good Friday Mass of the Catechumens/Veneration of the Cross/Mass of the Presanctified, and for their Paschal Vigil. The large icon crucifix behind the altar was installed by the previous rector. Dave |
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#284198 - 03/26/08 02:14 PM
Re: Anglican Good Friday and Easter Vigil
[Re: spdundas]
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Registered: 01/03/05
Posts: 1014
Loc: Chattanooga
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Anglo Catholics have often been described as pre Vatican ll Romans (without the Latin).in Chattanooga, one can visit Christ Episcopal and see the altar up against the wall (where it belongs). I attended there for a few years, and was part of that community while still EC. they used to have Even Song, and once they did a Latin Mass and used Anglican rubrics. Father Harry had his eye on me through the service, as I was the only one there with any knowledge of Church Latin (neat trick for a Russian Catholic). I knew when to kneel, stand, etc. father Harry was half a beat behind me, and the congregation half a beat behind him. I could have been naughty and invented my own rubrics, and I confess that I thought about it, but these folks had been very kind to me, and it just would not be comme il faut.
Much Love,
Jonn
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#284234 - 03/26/08 05:54 PM
Re: Anglican Good Friday and Easter Vigil
[Re: Michael_Thoma]
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Registered: 06/22/06
Posts: 5599
Loc: Dublin
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What's the difference between Anglo-Catholics and Tridentine? Lead me not into temptation! Fr. Serge
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#284247 - 03/26/08 06:51 PM
Re: Anglican Good Friday and Easter Vigil
[Re: spdundas]
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Registered: 08/01/07
Posts: 44
Loc: none of your business
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Hello,
What's the difference between Anglo-Catholics and Tridentine? The priest's vestment looks like Tridentine.
SPDundas
Deaf Byzantine Anglo-Catholics begain as a movement in the early 19th century with in the protestant Church of England to restore rituals and Catholic theology (at least their version of it) that was in the pre-reformation English Church (the Church of England in the early 1800s was solidly protestant and anti-papal and had been so since the 1560s). Their want to restore rituals and traditions lost in the reformation was the reason why their mass resembles the Tridentine rite. I would argue the whole movement was a result of Romanticism that was sweeping the intellectual community in Europe at the time. Today it survives only in a few circles outide of America (in England only 15% of Anglican priests identify as Anglo-Catholic, the rest are protestants). In America and Africa most liberal Anglican clerics call themselves Anglo-Catholic whilst the conervatives tend to be evangelicals. Most American Anglo-Catholics broke away from the Episcopal Church and started their own jurisdictions in the 70s when the Episcopals started ordaining women (the parish pictured belongs to such a jurisdiction). The "founder" of Anglo-Catholicism (there were several others), an Anglican priest named John Henry Newman, eventually converted to Catholcism, got ordained as a Catholic priest and eventually became a cardinal, as is now in the process of being glorified as a saint.
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#284275 - 03/26/08 08:53 PM
Re: Anglican Good Friday and Easter Vigil
[Re: spdundas]
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Registered: 04/04/05
Posts: 3355
Loc: US
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Hello,
What's the difference between Anglo-Catholics and Tridentine? The priest's vestment looks like Tridentine. I believe Anglo-Catholic worship and their missal would probably follow forms that pre-date the Tridentine mass. Otherwise I think Anglo-Catholics view themselves as representing the Catholic tradition of the English Church.
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#284288 - 03/26/08 10:09 PM
Re: Anglican Good Friday and Easter Vigil
[Re: AMM]
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Registered: 11/03/01
Posts: 1025
Loc: Private
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Many thanks for the pictures!
Anglo-Catholic worship comes in several versions. One form in England was like AMM describes, trying to re-enact mediæval forms not Tridentine ones (see below on the Gothic Revival). Another followed Tridentine forms including much of the Tridentine Mass in translation. (The old 'Sarum/English Use versus Roman' worship war among them!) Most did the latter and many among them were Anglo-Papalist (claiming to believe everything Rome does) - they're still around particularly in south-eastern England but use the modern Roman services (but with some panache).
15 per cent sounds about right.
(There used to be Anglo-Orthodox in England, even rarer than old-fashioned Western Anglo-Catholics, but I understand that since the Church of England started ordaining women priests in the 1990s they've left, logically joining the church they believe in.)
The traditional American version, which I imagine this parish church follows, is different to both: it looks like the Tridentine forms of the Anglo-Papalists but unlike them often wasn't papalist and used much more of the Book of Common Prayer.
Today in America many liberal Episcopalians do call themselves Anglo-Catholic which generally means they use chasubles, have Communion every Sunday and don't object to Benediction and devotions to saints. Many are credally orthodox, some not. They're on board with women priests and gay weddings.
There are also still real Anglo-Catholics there but they're very rare.
I agree that Anglo-Catholicism was part of Romanticism, coming into being in the mid-1800s when the patristic theological revival of men like Newman (the Oxford Movement, a reaction against 'Enlightenment' scepticism) got together with the Gothic Revival in architecture (reacting against the Industrial Revolution like the rest of Romanticism).
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#284310 - 03/26/08 11:38 PM
Re: Anglican Good Friday and Easter Vigil
[Re: Chtec]
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Registered: 08/19/06
Posts: 789
Loc: Minneapolis
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It looks like a beautiful service. I have great respect for Anglo-Catholicism. I believe its orthodox adherents truly seek to be faithful to the Catholic tradition. I like to think that Anglo-Catholics are in the same camp as the Apostolic Churches. I have been to Anglo-Catholic services that have been conducted with great reverence and worship. blessings, Lance A Byzantine Christian in a Postmodern World
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#284344 - 03/27/08 08:23 AM
Re: Anglican Good Friday and Easter Vigil
[Re: Michael_Thoma]
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Registered: 01/27/02
Posts: 1933
Loc: Sharon/Hermitage, PA
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And where is the congregation? Was this Liturgy celebrated for a monastic community? There was a small congregation (never more than 15 people) at both services I attended. Average Sunday attendance is about 40-50. Dave
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#284372 - 03/27/08 10:58 AM
Re: Anglican Good Friday and Easter Vigil
[Re: The young fogey]
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Registered: 11/15/01
Posts: 1228
Loc: Rocky Hill, CT
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Many thanks for the pictures!
Anglo-Catholic worship comes in several versions. One form in England was like AMM describes, trying to re-enact mediæval forms not Tridentine ones (see below on the Gothic Revival). Another followed Tridentine forms including much of the Tridentine Mass in translation. (The old 'Sarum/English Use versus Roman' worship war among them!) Most did the latter and many among them were Anglo-Papalist (claiming to believe everything Rome does) - they're still around particularly in south-eastern England but use the modern Roman services (but with some panache).
15 per cent sounds about right.
(There used to be Anglo-Orthodox in England, even rarer than old-fashioned Western Anglo-Catholics, but I understand that since the Church of England started ordaining women priests in the 1990s they've left, logically joining the church they believe in.)
The traditional American version, which I imagine this parish church follows, is different to both: it looks like the Tridentine forms of the Anglo-Papalists but unlike them often wasn't papalist and used much more of the Book of Common Prayer.
Today in America many liberal Episcopalians do call themselves Anglo-Catholic which generally means they use chasubles, have Communion every Sunday and don't object to Benediction and devotions to saints. Many are credally orthodox, some not. They're on board with women priests and gay weddings.
There are also still real Anglo-Catholics there but they're very rare.
I agree that Anglo-Catholicism was part of Romanticism, coming into being in the mid-1800s when the patristic theological revival of men like Newman (the Oxford Movement, a reaction against 'Enlightenment' scepticism) got together with the Gothic Revival in architecture (reacting against the Industrial Revolution like the rest of Romanticism). My parish is staunchly and unapologetically Anglo-Catholic but leaning toward the English usage rather than Ultra-Montane usage. There are no fiddle-backs or lace, all gothic chasuables and dalmatics. There are a couple of hold overs, such as moving the missal from one side of the altar to the other after the epistle, ringing the tower bells and hand bells at the consecration, and number of swings of the censor depending on rank and serial number. While it would be recognizable as the "old" Mass in English from it's movements and flow, the Prayer Book with Catholic rubrics is used as opposed to the Anglican missal.
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