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Re: Boycott of Robert Sungenis & CAI #123077 09/17/02 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by George Blaisdell:
Is the EO Antiochian Church one of these Syrian Churches? I sometimes have to remind myself that Christianity started out, in many important ways, as a Jewish sect...



Dear George,

The EO Antiochian Church came from the Syrian Church, but when they ascribed to Chalcedon and all that jazz, they eventually adopted the Byzantine rite. I think that's how things went down.

Dear Alex,

Could you explain some more about the Ethiopians? I would naturally understand that because they have many, many Jewish customs that one might say they are the most Jewish or Judaistic or whatever. But I'm speaking liturgically.

Everything I've read (and I'll admit that I don't remember where) says that the Syrian rite is the closest to the rites of the Jewish Temple. I would've thought the liturgical rites of the Ethiopians were influenced, not just by their Jewish customs, but also by the tradition of the Copts. So in what ways is the Ethiopian Liturgy (and other rites, if you know) closer to the Temple ritual? Just curious. smile

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Dear Qathuliqa,

Yes, the Ethiopians are a spin-off from the Coptic Church, but they've developed many more traditions that really make them unique unto themselves.

For example, the focus of their liturgical worship is the Tabot, the carved wooded Ark of the Covenant in which are stored a replica of the tablets of the law. They name this after St Michael etc. and carry it around the Church and perform their liturgical dance before it, as did David.

They have the liturgical role of the debtera or scribe taken directly from the scribes of the Temple of Solomon.

They claim seven covenants, six from the Old Testament and of course that of Christ in the New (Covenant of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Melchizedek, Moses and one other).

I think it is their veneration of the Tabot or Ark that sets their liturgical tradition in the closest possible relation to the worship of the Temple in Jerusalem.

Alex

Re: Boycott of Robert Sungenis & CAI #123079 09/22/02 03:13 AM
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I just found this article today and thought I'd post it here. It deals with antisemitism and (Russian) Orthodoxy, discusses some of the current flawed theological beliefs (e.g., that you can't be anti-Judaism without being anti-semitic), and essentially gives the Orthodox position on Jews, Gentiles, Israel (not the nation), and the Church. http://www.ocf.org/OrthodoxPage/reading/jewish_1.html


He who can without strain keep vigil, be long-suffering and pray is manifestly a partaker of the Holy Spirit. But he who feels strain while doing these things, yet willingly endures it, also quickly receives help. - Mark the Monk
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