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I mean are these bishops trying to call down fire and brimstone upon us? Do they truly belive that Sodom and Gamorha (sp) was a fable?

If you look at the area of Sodom and Gamorha (sp) to this day there is a rock that stands oddly shapped and straight. The people will tell you that is Lot's wife.

I mean give this tired old world a break. God have mercy on our souls!

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I know; their "logic" is, and another Irish Bishop has said the same a few weeks ago, that what people to in their "Civil" secular lives does not matter. You can" see " their twisted logic in a sick way, but it is driving folk further and further from Jesus. There was one Irish Bishop who got the sack; look up Bishop Buckley. Also just now a lesbian couple here are challenging the courts over tax equality as they recently got "married" in Canada... Probably in a Church.. Our Mother House is in Canada; Mother Abbess has told me that a few weeks ago SIX pastors ( not sure what denomination and it matters not) have been arrested for saying they refuse to "marry" homosexuals in their Churhes. Canada has passed C250, what they call" anti-hate" laws, as have some states in the US; it is now illegal to read certain parts of the Bible in Church or say that homosexuality is a sin. Two pastors in Sweden are already in jail; and a US teacher is facing charges. It is truly of the Anti-Christ; organised, intelligent and totally ruthless. And what they are teaching in Canadian schools..... And home schooling families are being targetted also. My honest view is that no "gay " union CAN ever be blessed by God so those rituals are empty or probably Satanic now.
And the Episc church; there are still pockets of resistance, but as Jesus says, " a city divided againts itself"
I have been verbally and physically threatened for sying these things all my life.
When I was seeking an order etc, I learnt to read very carefully; that word" inclusive" means they welcome practising homosexuals.
The argument is that Jesus "included " everyone and loved sinners; and no amount of Scripture teaching avails. Some even say that.. well, I had better not go down that road!!!They say it is not "compassionate" to stop those in stable relationships being "married" or having sex. I frustrates the poor things.
As a Vowed Celibate I can assure them that that is not so.
We are fine! Mother Abbess writes tellingly on our Order web site of "sexual idolatry". But the battle is on now, well and truly. I think Jesus I can say all this safely here; and God help Ireland now. we are maybe the last bastion in Europe.

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PS scuse typos; poor eyes today!!!
And it is Gomorrah. I CAN spell; just my fingers cannot:)

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I have been verbally and physically threatened for sying these things all my life.
When I was seeking an order etc, I learnt to read very carefully; that word" inclusive" means they welcome practising homosexuals.
The argument is that Jesus "included " everyone and loved sinners; and no amount of Scripture teaching avails.
It would seem that this is the reaction to telling the truth no matter what country you live in. Recently on a RC forum that I frequent, one member actually threatened to leave, not just the forum, but the Church as a whole, because she said this past election showed her that Christianity in the Church was very rare. She came across with that New-Age, touchy-feely type of Christianity where nothing is sinful and even if it is, it's not our place to put restrictions on people. When someone pointed out that she was right about us not having the right to judge people's souls, but that when sin was public we had the duty to call the person to repentance, she said it wasn't our place. No matter which Scripture was quoted to her, including a passage in Matthew's Gospel where the Lord himself gives instructions on how a sinner should be called to repentance (go to him alone, if he refuses, go with two friends, if he refuses, bring him to the Church, if he still refuses, cast him out)...well, lets just leave that one off. To be honest, she has gotten to me a bit on it. I try to remember that if one finger of mine points elsewhere, three more point back to me, making me three times the sinner, so I do start wondering if maybe people like her are right and we do have to just step back and let it all happen and say nothing. It's not like we can throw the stone, but yet, it seems like somethings going on are so major, so bad, that if we don't speak up somehow, then we are consenting to what is happening. My hero and idol, even though I have changed from West to East, is St. Thomas More...he has quite a few quotes which I love but one in this case always comes to my mind...when questioned about silence he said that the maxim of the law was "silence denotes consent"...

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It has been said that when God really decides to punish someone, He first takes away their mind. Call it New Age, Political Correctness, or whatever. It seems that the only sins today are murder, and possible telling a racist story. I don't condone either one, but I suspect there still are many sins out there. I don't think any new ones have been invented, and certainly none of the old ones have gone away. It's like Pius XII said about the loss of the sense of sin. Isn't that what's happening here?

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Dear ByzanTN, Exactly! Well stated. The devil's greatest triumph is to convince us that he doesn't exist and then he can function best as exactly what he is: a LIER...indeed the prince of lies. His next step is to try and convince us that sin is not sin.

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Seems to come around every so often...I seem to remember a certain Russian Orthodox Priest (if you could call him that)that was very close to a certain Russian monarchy. Had ideas that the more you sinned the more you could be forgiven by Christ......now what was his name... wink Well, at least HE was eventually stopped, and by the people in authority no less! cool

Hopefully this will likewise become nothing again, but in this day and age I am not quite sure. Truly people need and are crying out to be lead by the Church.

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One small point; I have never had any problems IN IRELAND. Quite the contrary. The Poor Clares I visit are totally with "orthodox" teaching on all this; we support each other. So we are strong here. Wearing the Habit here is rare; methinks that is partly why the faith is falling, so I literally stop the traffic on my rare outings. And always I can say, " I am not RC", and that opens doors and hearts. Folk need to talk re the problems, and always about Jesus and God. And all I have talked with, apart from one English assistant in a shop, say IT IS WRONG- period. But these Bishops are going to ruin it all now. And the other main "enemy" line of attack, the old "universalism" is gaining ground. The Franciscans held a conference; led by a Buddhist monk, and the write up gave cause for concern. And the Columbans also; "Does not matter if you are a Christian or not". The problems I have had were elsewhere; in Scotland I supported opponents of the new school curriculum that taught homosexuality as viable life style; some of the material was appalling; videos of 2 men in bed with a small girl atop the blankets. I managed then to get the relevant parts of Leviticus printed in the letters page of the paper.... Our Order is trying to get a House here. It is still a good place to live and to be a Nun, as I know so well.

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Two pastors in Sweden are already in jail
Correction: it is one pastor, not two. And he actually said that homosexuals deserve to die.

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Ok; reports vary; my apologies. Some said one. others said two.
There was little detail given; what was the context of that comment, please? I am not sure it warrants jail..
The US and Canadian situations remains. It is very real and open persecution.

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Vie; I salute you. Bless and thank you. This is what so many of us face. The other key text is John 8...Jesus does not say or imply that there was no sin; quite the opposite. Teaching and pointing out wrongdoing is not judgemental. It is compassion.

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Ok; reports vary; my apologies. Some said one. others said two.
There was little detail given; what was the context of that comment, please? I am not sure it warrants jail..
The US and Canadian situations remains. It is very real and open persecution.
Do you have proof that these things have actually occurred?

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Jennifer; please stop attacking me!
OK? OK!
Thank and bless you.

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Irish Anchoress:

Who is attacking whom?

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