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#131338 - 02/06/02 03:25 AM Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
Joe T Offline
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Take a look at the following link from the Ukrainian Catholic Archeparchy of Winnipeg, Canada.

http://www.archeparchy.ca/liturgical/lectionary.htm

This link provides us with a "panorama view' of our Church cycle of readings as contained in our Lectionary. The study of our lectionary cycle is an interesting topic, I think, though many in biblical studies consider it a dry and unrewarding subject. I guess I am a very boring person to get excited about such things, no? I think it tells us a lot about how our Church reads its Scriptures (lections).

How does our lectionary relate to the Table of Contents (of the New Testament books) found in every Bible? What book in the NT is missing from the schedule?

Since the readings of both the Gospels and the Epistles/Acts are read serially, we have the unfortunate circumstance of hearing only 1/7th of the New Testament on Sundays. Should we go the way of the Latin Church with its three-year cycle? Does our lectionary imply or presume daily worship or prayers? I'm not suggesting overturning centuries of tradition in our lectionary, but I was wondering what your thoughts were on making the proclamation of the Word of God more available? Personally, I like our lectionary the way it is, but that is my opinion.

There are many books out there promoting ways to read the Bible in one year; you just have to pay them the money to do it! Yet, our Church provides us with a simple to use and very inexpensive chart to follow. Is there a need for these other books when we have it all spelled out for us for FREE?


Note: The official cycle of readings with the actual verses can be found in the TYPICON of our Church [arranged by the Rev. David M. Petras, S.E.O.D. and printed by Eastern Christians Publications; (603)691-8862] as well as our liturgical wall calendar published by the Byzantine Seminary Press. Please note that feast days have their own readings and may take priority over the default schedule. These overlapping feast days make figuring out the proper readings fun. Thank you, Fr. David, for doing the homework for us.

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#131339 - 02/06/02 04:40 AM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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Mr. Thur,

You are a student/Deacon in training? What does the Seminary teach about the Book of Revelation?

Nicky's Baba

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#131340 - 02/06/02 04:58 PM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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Nicky's Baba,

The Book of Revelation is very difficult text to interpret. Just look at the many bizarre literalist interpretations out there already.

For instance, compare the Liturgical Interpretation or connections with Scott Hahn's book and M. H. Shepherd (see the recent thread

http://www.byzcath.org/cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=001064

with the following Historical Interpretation that is blatantly anti-Catholic:

AN ANTI-CATHOLIC HISTORICAL INTERPRETATION OF THE BOOK OF REVELATION:
Rev 1: An introduction to the book, showing Christ presenting Himself to John.
Rev 2: An overview of Church History (The Seven Churches)
Rev 4 and 5: Set the stage for what is about to follow.
Rev 6: The Roman Empire in decline (The Seven Seals and the Four Horsemen)
Rev 7: The spread of Christianity (The 144,000 chosen ones)
Rev 8: Fall of the Western Roman Empire (The first four Trumpets)
Rev 9: The rise of Islam; fall of the Byzantine Empire (Fifth and sixth Trumpet)
Rev 10: The Protestant Reformation (The Angel with the Little Book)
Rev 11: The French Revolution (The death and resurrection of the Two Witnesses)
Rev 12: The Christian Persecutions (The Woman and the Dragon)
Rev 13: The 1260 years of Papal dominance (The two Beasts and the number 666)
Rev 14 and 15: Prepares us for the description of the events of chapter 16.
Rev 16: Events of the last 200 years: (The Seven Vials)
- The gradual diminution of Papal temporal power (The first five Vials)
- The return of the Jews to Palestine (Sixth Vial)
- Fascism and Nazism (Unclean spirits like frogs)
- World War II and the Jewish Holocaust (The Battle of Armageddon)
- Events still future (Seventh Vial)
Rev 17: The Napoleonic Era (The woman Babylon and the scarlet Beast)
Rev 18: "Laments" the punishment of Babylon, the false Church
Rev 19: Recapitulates what has happened so far, after having celebrated the arrival of the true Church, or Bride of Christ.
Rev 20: Refers to a distant future attack against this glorious City, a thousand years after her arrival.
Rev 21 and 22: New Jerusalem is described in detail


I guess it depends on whether you are "inside' the Church on the "outside' looking in.

As for what is actually taught in the deacon program, I cannot give the details since I've only been in it for one year and never had the opportunity to study it there with brother deacon-students. I can only re-iterate what our Church tradition is:

Fact: The Apocalypse of John isn't read during our church services.

Fact: That same book is considered to be the inspired word of God (it is in our Bibles).

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#131341 - 02/06/02 09:14 PM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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It appears that the cycle of the epistles follows the order we see in the TOC of the NT, beginning with Acts in Bright Week and ending with 1 John right before the Triodion. Apocalypse is conspicuously absent. also, I did not see 2 or 3 John listed, so did I miss them, or are they absent as well?

The Lectionary does seem to assume daily prayer and worship. Since daily Divine Liturgy has, for the most part, never been the, or even possible, then when would these readings be done? During Orthros or Vespers? If this is the case, then does this call for availability of these services on a daily basis?

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#131342 - 02/06/02 09:22 PM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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Dear Akemner,

Yes, the service of the Typika which follows the Sixth Hour outside of the Great Fast, but the Ninth Hour during the Great Fast is when the Gospel and Epistle readings would be made.

This is served on days when the Divine Liturgy is not, although I do the Typika daily notwithstanding.

During the Fast and other feasts, there are additional readings during other Hours.

There is also the monastic rule of scriptural reading as part of the Cell Rule that laypeople are also invited to participate in and involves 700 Jesus Prayers, 300 prostrations with Jesus Prayers, 3 Kathismata of the Psalter, 3 Canons to Jesus, the Theotokos, the Guardian Angel (and the daily Saint) with 2 Akathists, and then one Chapter of the Gospels followed by two chapters from the Epistle, INCLUDING (in private reading) the book of Revelation.

One will finish the New Testament read in this way in three months and is free to increase the readings.

Alex

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#131343 - 02/06/02 11:55 PM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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akemner,

For 2 and 2 John, look at the pre-fast period before Lent actually begins. 2 John is read on Friday of the 35th week after Pentecost and 3 John is read on Monday of the 36th week after Pentecost. Jude is the last NT book to be read on Thursday of the same week as 3 John. You are correct. The Apocalypse of John is not read in the Byzantine Church.

Yes. The order of the readings throughout the year parallels the TOC of every New Testament edition we have. Take a wild guess where that TOC order came from? Interesting though is the fact that Byzantines begin their annual lections from the Gospels with John at Pascha.


Joe

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#131344 - 02/07/02 12:10 AM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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Mr. Thur,

In my RC days I took a class that taught the Scott Hahn Bible Study course- the one on EWTN a few years back. Basically we were taught it had to do with the fall of Rome & rise of the Church.Would it be possible to find out why the Book of Revelation is excluded in the readings cycle in the BC Church? Also do you think it would help to have an apologetics class that explained the book from an Eastern perspective?It would be nice to be able to explain to people outside the BC what our belief is about it.

Nicky's Baba

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#131345 - 02/07/02 01:28 AM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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Nicky's Baba,

Since the 3rd Century, the East began to oppose the Apocalypse of John. One of the excesses of this book can be seen in the rise of Chiliasm, which was a heresy that had as its basis Apocalypse 20:1-6. This “thousand-year reign” of Christ (millennialism) was greatly misinterpreted in its "literal' sense. This heresy, and not necessarily the book itself, was the prime reason of some Church officials to reject it. Do you think this extreme form of Chiliasm is alive and well in some quarters of Christianity?

It wasn't until at least 100 years before the Great Schism that it began to find its way into the Table of Contents (TOC) of the Bible. It is rare to find extent copies of Scripture in the East with the Apocalypse in it. It wasn't considered apostolic and, therefore, it was not canonical (or acceptable). Interesting though, Origen accepted the Apocalypse of John because he simply interpreted it in the 'allegorical' sense and that was fine with him. Leave it to Origen to fluff it off with allegory. Problem for others was that they went the literal route of interpretation. Just take a look at the anti-Catholic interpretation I posted above.

I think the best Eastern approach to understanding the Apocalypse of John is to invite your friends to worship with you at a Byzantine Liturgy. Let the 'visions' begin! eek At my parish a few years back, our pastor spent an entire year going through the text. As I stated before, a visting priest/substitute celebrated a service based on the liturgy in the Apoc. of John. It wasn't anything new to us; in fact, we all felt like we just had an instant replay of the Divine Liturgy just celebrated that morning. To a visitor who is not acquainted with our Byzantine Traditions, they would have probably felt out of place. All that incense!

Joe

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#131346 - 02/07/02 03:01 AM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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Dear Joe,

I've been reading the posts here, and one thing stumps me: what does TOC stand for? I figure I'm missing something by not knowing what that means... smile

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#131347 - 02/07/02 09:18 AM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mor Ephrem:
Dear Joe,
I've been reading the posts here, and one thing stumps me: what does TOC stand for? I figure I'm missing something by not knowing what that means... smile


Me too - as a Latin I often get stumped by the abbreviations - usually I hope it becomes clear but if it doesn't then I ask. At least it's not just me this time. Thanks for beating me to the post this time Phil.

Angela confused confused

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#131348 - 02/07/02 12:19 PM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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TOC is literary lingo for "Table of Contents." This is an abbreviated index at the beginning (occasionally end) of a book that lists named chapters of book, named sections of a chapter, or in the case of an anthology, e.g. the Bible, titles of works contained therein.

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#131349 - 02/07/02 12:28 PM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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Mor Ephrem and Angela,

Thank you for pointing out the bit about TOC. I went back to edit my last post to clarify it. I guess one should never assume.

Once, when working at an insurance company, I received a policy to work on with a sticky note having ASAP on it. I put it in my 'In Basket' to do later with my other work not knowing what ASAP meant. I soon learned what it meant the hard way. frown

Joe

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#131350 - 02/07/02 12:35 PM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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Originally posted by J Thur:
Mor Ephrem and Angela,

Thank you for pointing out the bit about TOC. I went back to edit my last post to clarify it. I guess one should never assume.
Joe


Thanks - these things happen smile
I should have twigged but, of course for me the problem is our different languages as for me TOC = index . Oh well we live and learn. biggrin

Now every one can have a laugh at this stoopid Scot.

Angela

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#131351 - 02/07/02 01:12 PM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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Originally posted by Our Lady's slave of love:
Now every one can have a laugh at this stoopid Scot.

Angela


And at the stoopid Indian too, for I don't use Table of Contents (in retrospect, I should've figured it out...oh well smile ), but index, as you do.

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#131352 - 02/07/02 01:42 PM Re: Our Byzantine Cycle of Scripture Readings
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So, here is the question: What came first, the one-volume Bible we are all familiar with or the Lectionary with the readings found in separate books?

The image of a evangelical preacher carrying his (or her) one-volume Bible in hand is burned in our minds. Is this the case in the Byzantine Church? Is that how the Church reads its Scriptures? Was this the way in the early church?

Joe

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