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Ultimate Things #133252 03/09/03 03:16 PM
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An Orthodox Christian Perspective on the End Times. Has anyone ever read this book?

In Roman Catholicism there is a lot of extra biblical prophecy concerning the end times, how does this factor into the Byzantine Catholic view?

I recommend this book, it has quotations from the early Church Fathers (as well as quotes from Fr. Seraphim Rose) and also compares modern protestant views with Orthodox thought The exception of a couple of chapters where there is a huge emphasis on Russia being the last strong hold of True Christianity.


Abba Isidore the Priest:
When I was younger and remained in my cell I set no limit to prayer; the night was for me as much the time of prayer as the day.
(p. 97, Isidore 4)
Re: Ultimate Things #133253 03/10/03 03:52 AM
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Dear Odo,

I read "Ultimate Things" right after Christmas. I really enjoyed this book. I was really struck about how similar Orthodox thought on the end-times is to the Protestant position. Now, don't get me wrong, there are some differences. (e.g. rapture, millennium, anti-Christ being killed and resurrected.) These differences are very important, but not so much so to make us think they are not any similarities. But overall I find many similarities. For example, the author mentions a seven-year tribulation, personal anti-Christ, literal mark of the beast, two witnesses who are killed at end of the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, etc. It was really neat to read about in the book about "the 70 weeks of Daniel." I had first heard of the 70 weeks on a Jack Van Impe series on the book of Daniel, when I was a Protestant. To hear it from an Orthodox Christian was at the least very interesting.

This book seems to have passed the test of world Orthodoxy, for I've not heard anybody saying that it is too protestant or full of errors. Fr. Thomas Hopka (Dean of St. Vladimir Orthodox Seminary) mentioned his views of it in the beginning of the book. He said he only disagreed with the concept of the last Tsar of Russia being the "restrainer" of 2 Thess. (Actually, I understood the author to mean that Holy Orthodox Monarchy was the restrainer, not Holy Royal Martyr, Tsar Nicholas II in particular.)

About Roman Catholic end-times prophesies . . . I believe in a lot of it. smile Prophecies like this are pretty similar to Orthodox prophecies as far as I know. I've never study this out, though. A theme very prominent in Roman Catholic end-time prophecies is, "The Three Days of Chastisement." These, three days are supposed to be days when the evil spirits can be visibly seen on earth and the world will be a strange color, anyone outside during this time will die instantly, you will even die if you look out your windows during this time. I wonder if Holy Orthodoxy teaches a similar thing? Come on, Orthodox people enlighten me wink .

A sinner,

Adam


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Re: Ultimate Things #133254 03/10/03 04:09 AM
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"The Three Days of Chastisement." These, three days are supposed to be days when the evil spirits can be visibly seen on earth and the world will be a strange color, anyone outside during this time will die instantly, you will even die if you look out your windows during this time."

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Fascinating and freighting. Can anyone elaborate?


Abba Isidore the Priest:
When I was younger and remained in my cell I set no limit to prayer; the night was for me as much the time of prayer as the day.
(p. 97, Isidore 4)
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I never heard of the "Three Days of Chastisement." Does anyone know of any URLs for this?

Has anyone besides me listened to Scott Hahn's 11 tape set on The Book of Revelation? Something new I learned is his number one choice for the "harlot" city and the "Whore of Babylon" is not 1st century pagan Rome but Jerusalem! He makes a convincing case, I have changed my mind. Both the NAB notes and the Navarre Bible Commentary reference Rome so I was reluctant at first to go along with it but by the time I finished all 11 tapes I am convinced that Jerusalem is the best #1 choice.

Check out this free Bible Study by Scott Hahn on the Book of Revelation. It goes well with his tape set.

http://www.salvationhistory.com/student/guides/revelation.cfm

Yours in Christ,

BradM

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A theme very prominent in Roman Catholic end-time prophecies is, "The Three Days of Chastisement." These, three days are supposed to be days when the evil spirits can be visibly seen on earth and the world will be a strange color, anyone outside during this time will die instantly, you will even die if you look out your windows during this time.
How will we know if we can't look outside? :p

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Dear Friends,

Here is a URL explaining the "Three days of Chastisement."

http://www.tex-is.net/users/csbrocato/3days.htm

Btw, the world will know that this time is coming because a giant crucifix will be seen glowing in the sky for about 8 days. Afer that it will get cold and dark. You know to no to go out then. Lord, have mercy. smile

A sinner,

Adam


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