Ilya,
I thought the Toronto bishop was Cornelius Pashiny..... I could be wrong.
-uc

God! This has been a most hysterical post!

Danil- I got what you said and the spelling of Premyshelshylchyshlyn had me laughing heartily. The first good laugh in a while.

Patriarch Lybomyr is not an iron fisted man.
I've gone the rounds on this with your Father, Ilya, in Ukraine. He works under behind the scenes and under the radar. And that is what our church is doing. An iron fist might produce an iron fist even bigger from Rome. I remember reading a book by Paul Hlinka (sp) which pointed out that Metropolitan Sembratovich was deposed by Rome for portesting the Roman influence in the Synod of Lviv (mentioned ealrier). Perhaps Husar knows what really goes on in Rome!

He might even be the next Pope if certain Catholic journalists get their way!

It starts from the leadership and trickles down. BUT I think that returning to our traditions "no matter what the cost" might see us lose more of our faithful than we have already lost in the last 100 years. The average Greek Catholic parish in America is a far cry from the hotbed of academic shcolarship on this forum.
Don't get me wrong. I am all for it. REutrn to our traditions yes, but we have to undergo a MASSIVE MASSIVE MASSIVE re-cathechisation of our people. That is the first thing our bishops need to do. Teach TEACH and TEACH.

WE now have LIGHT FOR LIFE from God With Us publications. Get it. Read it! and have your parish order 50 copies of the series for Catechism classes. When our people know what treasures they have in their own faith, they will be less preoccupied with "fitting in" to mainstream society and by that they become an alternative society, and anything with the label "alternative" sells.

Rambling,
Ality

Dear Friends,

I don't think we need iron fists. But Lubomyr seems to be a very well traveled leader. He has been moving around Europe and America quite a lot.

You know, he studied here in Washington at Catholic University and was ordained in Connecticut and was a pastor in upstate New York, before entering the monastery in Rome.

He knows the Vatican, he knows people. Did anyone else notice, on Sept. 16, 2001 when Cardinal Egan held a memorial mass at St. Patick's Cathedral for the WTC victims, there was one other Cardinal in attendance? Metropolitan Lubomyr and another Eastern Bishop, I believe Bishop Basil of Stamford, were there.

Lubomyr is getting around. I'm sure he will do what he can to keep our Church moving where God wants it to go.

John
Pilgrim and Odd Duck

John-

I hope you did'nt infer that I was being critical of Patriarch Lybomyr. I was trying to express that he works quietly without drawing much public attention to issues and solves them privately.

He was directly responsible for handling the scandal in Poland a few years back when they wanted all Greek Catholic married clergy to leave the country. He could have raised a huge stink over it and confronted Rome openly but he did not. I approve of what he is doing and how the Ukrainian Catholic Church is manuevering right now. The only thing that conerns me is internal-demoninational competition in Ukraine between Latins and Greeks but that is another post.

Again, I hope you di'nt take my post wrong. Looking back at it, I could have been a little more clear. I seldom proof read my posts. Maybe I should start doing so. :rolleyes:

Sinner,
ALity

Because Rome has chosen them.