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#1571 - 08/22/02 01:13 PM
Re: Jews Don't Need Jesus?
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CARDINAL ISSUES CLARIFICATION ON EVANGELIZATION OF JEWS BALTIMORE, Aug 20, 02 (CWNews.com) -- Cardinal William Keeler of Baltimore has issued a statement of clarification regarding a document released last week on Catholic-Jewish relations. The cardinal's statement emphasized that the document, released by a joint committee of Catholics and Jews, was a working document rather than an authoritative statement of belief.
The August 12 statement, entitled Reflections on Covenant and Mission, said that "campaigns that target Jews for conversion to Christianity are no longer theologically acceptable in the Catholic Church." The document, put forward by a working committee sponsored by the US bishops' conference and the Jewish Anti-Defamation League, provoked a very sharp reaction from many Catholics, who argued that it clashed directly with previous statements of defined Church doctrine.
Cardinal Keeler, who co-chaired the committee that produced the document, remarked that the statement "does not represent a formal position taken by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops or the Bishops' Committee for Ecumenical and Inter-religious Affairs. The purpose of publicly issuing the considerations which it contains is to encourage serious reflection on these matters by Jews and Catholics in the US."
The cardinal's statement continued: "These considerations provide a basis for discussing both the similarities and the significant differences between the Christian and Jewish understandings of the call given by the one God to both peoples." The Bishops now they are wrong for this document.
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St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil; may God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou O Prince of the heavenly hosts, by the divine power, thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
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#1572 - 08/22/02 01:24 PM
Re: Jews Don't Need Jesus?
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Originally posted by walt metrick: Anyone that thinks that proclaiming Christ Crucified and Risen to hurting people or those that never heard the Gospel is being intolerant and bullish are the ones that need to get a grip.
I pray neither of you are anywhere near a pulpit.
I won't mention this or this topic again, either. Oh, well, isn't that. . . special.
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#1576 - 08/22/02 02:20 PM
Re: Jews Don't Need Jesus?
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ExCatholic@work wrote: The Bishops now they are wrong for this document. Sorry, ExCatholic@work, you are clearly looking for a monster under every rock. By doing so you have placed yourself in a very unhealthy spiritual position. It has already been noted numerous times that 1) this is a working document and 2) that there is a difference between witness to the Jews and “campaigns that target Jews for conversion to Christianity”. Please make an actual attempt to understand what you are condemning before you condemn it.
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#1577 - 08/22/02 03:35 PM
Re: Jews Don't Need Jesus?
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: Dear Stuart,
Apart from the discussion here, your last comment about the "special" was so special to me that I wanted to ask your permission to use it in a political speech I'm preparing.
O.K.?
Alex Oh, sure, why not?
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#1579 - 08/22/02 04:26 PM
Re: Jews Don't Need Jesus?
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Administrator, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ExCatholic@work wrote: The Bishops now they are wrong for this document. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, ExCatholic@work, you are clearly looking for a monster under every rock. By doing so you have placed yourself in a very unhealthy spiritual position.
It has already been noted numerous times that 1) this is a working document and 2) that there is a difference between witness to the Jews and “campaigns that target Jews for conversion to Christianity”.
Please make an actual attempt to understand what you are condemning before you condemn it. Seems to me that you are on a personal witch hunt against me. First of all my name is NOT Ex-Catholic@work. Secondly, I have made an attempt to understand what I am condemning and I have read the opinions of many priest on this issue. Many priest have the opinion that this document was a mistake for the church even if it is not doctrine yet. I have even posted the opinion of one of the priest at EWTN. I am sorry if many people in the church disagrees with you but these constant remarks that can be preceived as attacks are not warranted. God Bless
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St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil; may God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou O Prince of the heavenly hosts, by the divine power, thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
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#1581 - 08/22/02 05:10 PM
Re: Jews Don't Need Jesus?
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Ex@work wrote: Seems to me that you are on a personal witch hunt against me. First of all my name is NOT Ex-Catholic@work. Secondly, I have made an attempt to understand what I am condemning and I have read the opinions of many priest on this issue. Many priest have the opinion that this document was a mistake for the church even if it is not doctrine yet. I have even posted the opinion of one of the priest at EWTN. I am sorry if many people in the church disagrees with you but these constant remarks that can be preceived as attacks are not warranted. A personal witch hunt? No. But since you insist on always posting with only the most grievous interpretation of anything you read it is fair to call you on the carpet to explain yourself. Someone seriously interested in making an attempt in understanding simply asks questions. He or she does not post the worst possible interpretation as if it were a formal teaching of the Church and then demand an explanation. Your posts in this thread are not substantially different than those you have made in other threads attacking the Church. You have not made any attempt to understand. You have only condemned what you do not understand. But surely these discussions don’t matter to you since you have freely chosen to reject Catholicism and changed your name from “RC@work“ to “ExRC@work” and now to “aChristian@work”? It is amazing how someone who in the midst of journey can be so absolutely certain in his condemnation of everyone who does not meet his own personal standard.
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#1583 - 08/22/02 07:35 PM
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Dear Walt, Yes, aren't those two opponents of yours nasty?! I can't believe there are people like them on this Forum. I ask your forgiveness. Alex
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