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#158665 - 06/24/03 05:15 PM Re: 61 Deacons To Be Ordained
Amadeus Offline
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#158666 - 06/24/03 06:34 PM Re: 61 Deacons To Be Ordained
paromer Offline
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Peter never did speak ex cathedra. His wife wouldn't let him. biggrin biggrin

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#158667 - 06/25/03 01:12 AM Re: 61 Deacons To Be Ordained
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I think there's also the possibility that St Peter could have been a widower.

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#158668 - 06/25/03 08:44 AM Re: 61 Deacons To Be Ordained
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Quote:
Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic:
Dear David,

Very good point.

(Are you taking some sort of spiritual vitamin pill that you are becoming so theologically articulate? smile )
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Originally posted by Amado Guerrero:
Dear DavidB and Alex:

I offer no proof that St. Peter was or became celibate.

I only presumed this was so because of his (Peter's) constant travels, with or without the other Apostles and his/their disciples, to far away places like Antioch, Jerusalem, Rome, and back again.

Also, I think Jesus, in selecting each and everyone of the Apostles, said rather clearly: "Come, follow me, and bear your own cross!" or to that effect.

Did Jesus say: "Come, follow me with your wife, and children . . .!?" biggrin biggrin biggrin

Amado
Amado,

So you presumed that St Peter was celibate because of his travels, I guess you presume this as it doesn't say anywhere that he traveled with his wife. Also you make a presumption as to what his cross is that Jesus was referring to when he called him.... But actually when Jesus called Peter he said, " And He said to them, 'Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men.'" (Matthew 4:19)

Jesus doesn't say anything about bearing a cross until he speaks about the meaning of Discipleship. "'And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.' (Matthew 10:38)

On a lighter note, knowing as I do that I am called to be celibate, I would think that marriage would be a cross and Jesus does say to take your cross and follow Him, not leave it behind and follow Him.

I must make one point, which I gain from the scientific world, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

I think that point bears well on St Peter's relationship with his wife, as there is no comment on it at all so we can not know.


David

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#158669 - 06/28/03 11:11 PM Re: 61 Deacons To Be Ordained
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With all of this talk about Peter, i wanted to chime in and ask, is it not the tradition that before he was crucified, the Romans mad him watch the crucifixion of his wife (and her torture thereon by birds of prey)?

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