The Byzantine Forum
Newest Members
Taylor, Randy Danielson, TAFrazer, PNCC Random Guy, Coldstream
5,769 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
1 members (theophan), 69 guests, and 31 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
Church of St Cyril of Turau & All Patron Saints of Belarus
Byzantine Nebraska
Byzantine Nebraska
by orthodoxsinner2, December 11
Church of the Holy Trinity (UGCC) - Brazil
Church of the Holy Trinity (UGCC) - Brazil
by Santiago Tarsicio, March 17
Papal Audience 10 November 2017
Papal Audience 10 November 2017
by JLF, November 10
Upgraded Russian icon corner
Upgraded Russian icon corner
by The young fogey, October 20
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics35,056
Posts414,078
Members5,769
Most Online3,380
Dec 29th, 2019
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
#177661 07/24/05 06:54 AM
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 231
S
Member
OP Offline
Member
S
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 231
Quote
Protests disrupt Latvia gay march

Latvian police have arrested protesters after they shouted insults and threw eggs at people taking part in the Baltic state's first gay pride march.
The few dozen marchers were outnumbered by hundreds of protesters who blocked the narrow streets of the capital.

Police were forced to alter the march route and to form a chain around the parade participants to protect them.

The march had sparked outrage in Latvia and only went ahead after a court overturned a council ban on the event.

Officials said that six of the protesters had been detained for their part in disrupting the march.

Prime Minister Aigars Kalvitis had opposed the event, saying Riga should "not promote things like that".

"For sexual minorities to parade in the very heart of Riga, next to the Doma church, is unacceptable," he told LNT television on Wednesday.

One of those who took part in Saturday's march, 61-year-old Lars-Peter Sjouberg, from Sweden, said he had been shocked by the offensive remarks made by protesters.

"Protesters here were really aggressive [...] but it won't stop me from helping my Latvian friends fight for their rights."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4711261.stm

:rolleyes:

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517
I
Member
Offline
Member
I
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517
Reminds me of the later nineteen-sixties and protest demonstrations against the Vietnam War - everything one could mention, from epithets to brickbats, was hurled at us (so were a couple of items which won't bear mentioning).

Incognitus

Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,342
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,342
Shlomo Lkhoolkhoon,

Violence in the name of God is wrong in all cases. We need to remember two things, one is that we HAVE TO love others as ourselves, and that it is our God given right to exercise our free wills as long as that does not impact on others directly.

On this Holy Day, let us pray for peace between all of us.

Poosh BaShlomo Lkhoolkhoon,
Yuhannon

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517
I
Member
Offline
Member
I
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517
I am very happy to pray for peace as suggested. But by "this Holy Day" are you referring to Sunday (which is in fact a Holy Day) or had you something more specific in mind?

Incognitus

Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 915
L
Member
Offline
Member
L
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 915
Scandinavian, I'm not sure what your point is.

Are you trying to say that homosexuals are vindicated by the fact that other people threw eggs at them? Homosexual behavior naturally inspires a great deal of revulsion in most people.

And Incognitus, protesters were not the only ones who got stuff thrown at them during the Vietnam War. Our returning veterans and POW's didn't exactly get a red carpet welcome either.

On this Lord's Day, let us all pray that Christians will have the grace to accept God's mercy and live according to His commands. I am so far from doing that myself. Please pray for me too.

LatinTrad

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,186
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,186
This kind of perverse pride is not like the anti-war marches of the 1960s and 1970s. I find it insulting to our anti war and anti- discrimination efforts of that era to equate this perverseness with those efforts. There is nothing righteous about these more recent hedonistic parades.

Dan L

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517
I
Member
Offline
Member
I
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517
Throwing eggs at people and hurling insults at them is unlikely to convince them of their own lack of righteousness. They are much more likely to become convinced of the boorishness and barbarism of their assailants.

By the way, did the USA ever get around to an unconditional amnesty for those who refused to fight in Vietnam? [This is not a trick question; I honestly don't know the answer.]

Incognitus

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,186
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,186
Incognitus,

I'm not particularly concerned what a person who would so insult others as to march in a parade demanding acceptance of their hedonism. In America we don't bust into people's homes and demand that they demonstrate what they do in their bedrooms. Likewise, I don't expect people to parade around in the streets demonstrating what they do in their bedrooms. It is completely insulting to anyone who demonstrated for equal rights for blacks to have anyone propose that these parades have anything at all to do with the civil rights efforts of earlier days. It's insulting not only to Christians at large but to all blacks. Within that context throwing eggs seems very minor indeed.

Some amnesty was offered from the Carter Administration if my memory serves. The Ford administration probably offered some limited amnesty as well. I do not know if total amnesty was ever offered.

Dan L

Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 448
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 448
"By the way, did the USA ever get around to an unconditional amnesty for those who refused to fight in Vietnam? [This is not a trick question; I honestly don't know the answer.] "

Ingonitus: Do you have a job?
"

Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,310
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 1,310
Violence is not acceptable. Nor is a parade of sin. It is interesting to note that marchers came from other places to attend...why is that? Is it a feeble attempt to convince people that this sin is more mainstream and popular than they suppose?

Gaudior, disgusted that people insist on being PROUD of sinning.

Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 474
sam Offline
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 474
Quote
Throwing eggs at people and hurling insults at them is unlikely to convince them of their own lack of righteousness. They are much more likely to become convinced of the boorishness and barbarism of their assailants.
How are we as Catholics to interpret the throwing of condoms on the altars of St. Patrick's Cathedral?

sam

Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517
I
Member
Offline
Member
I
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 3,517
Sam asks "How are we as Catholics to interpret the throwing of condoms on the altars of St. Patrick's Cathedral?"

I should hope that any normal person would interpret such behavior as barbarism and boorishness - and would therefore resolve not to emulate such behavior. That sort of misconduct is certainly offensive, and will not convince anybody of the validity of the cause of the perpetrators.

A good friend, who was then the deacon at Saint Nicholas Cathedral, New York, was faced with a bunch of misguided "anti-Communist" demonstrators outside the cathedral, who threw eggs at him, ruining his good riasa in the process. Now just what might we expect was the effect on the deacon? Did he regard the offensive behavior as indicative of people with whom one might carry on a rational discussion of anything? No, of course he didn't. He quite properly called the cops. The egg-throwers spent the night in the slammer, which is precisely where they belonged - or perhaps they belonged in a loony bin.

Yes, I do have a job. I have this habit of eating, which requires some degree of wherewithal! But what does that have to do with my curiosity as to whether - and what sort - of amnesty has been offered to the draft-dodgers of yesteryear?

Incognitus

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,186
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,186
To return to the initial issue which in question form I suppose would go like this: "Are gay parades a form of violence?"

My answer is a simple Yes, of course.

Dan L

Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,790
Member
Offline
Member
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,790
An aside about the supposed mistreatment of returning Vietnam veterans: it apparently never happened. There exist no contemporary news stories about such mistreatment; the stories are later accusations, apparently with the government as its source. Perhaps at some time somewhere it did occur, but there is no contemporary evidence for it. It is a myth, one that has had a pervasive effect on American public discourse and perception of the antiwar activists of the 60s and 70s.
In fact, peace activists set up coffee shops around military bases and offered counseling to soldiers. After all one of the main points was to stop the deaths of young American soldiers. Vietnam veterans were a very active and visible presence in the movement. I certainly never saw any scorn for ordinary American soldiers.
-Daniel

Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,642
Likes: 7
John
Member
Offline
John
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 6,642
Likes: 7
The mistreatment of returning Vietnam veterans is not a myth. Sadly, the press was uniformly against the Vietnam War and pretty much ignored the mistreatment of the returning veterans. It didnít happen everywhere, but there were plenty of examples of acts of spitting and throwing things at returning military. It reached its peak at roughly the same time the anti-war protests reached their peak. There was a small outburst of support for the troops when they were all brought home, but for the most part the veterans were then ignored. It is true that some anti-war protesters organized various activities to welcome them home. This was, however, the exception rather than the rule.

Anyone seeking first hand testimony of the mistreatment of Vietnam veterans needs only to spend a few hours in a waiting room of any VA hospital to find it.

Page 1 of 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

Link Copied to Clipboard
The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. All posts become property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2020 (Forum 1998-2020). All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5