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Originally posted by Bernardo:
I would like to say that they were an exception, but every year gay parades become more violent against heterosexual people.
Those violent homosexuals, eyh? :rolleyes:

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More than 10,000 people took part in the fourth annual Jerusalem Pride Parade, Love Without Borders, on July 1.

The event went ahead despite initial attempts by the Jerusalem Municipality to block the march as "insensitive to the sensibilities of a large part of the city's residents." But after a Supreme Court ruling on a petition from former NIF grantee Jerusalem Open House, the Municipality was compelled to let the event go ahead and even assist in funding.

However, the event was marred by an ultra-Orthodox protestor who stabbed three participants - one received medium injuries and two were lightly hurt. The incident generated enormous condemnation throughout Israel and a major protest vigil was organized the following Tuesday at the site of the stabbing by gay groups and human rights activists.

NIF News 7/8/05
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Dear Scandinavian,

I recall many years ago hearing about a church that was so threatened by the homosexuals that the members were frightened to leave. Of course nothing was mentioned in the papers or on TV of that incident.

But frankly none of this should be surprising. I recall twenty plus years ago, a certain Evangelical Doctor of Theology, mentioning what was going on with the courts, and the pressure brought on by these 'gay' groups in order to legalize homosexual marriage.

One person just happened more recently to mention their agenda. They were to concentrate in the smaller states where they would have more power since the U.S. Senate seats are equal for all states.

They have managed to take over Vermont, much to the chagrin of the original inhabitants, and have imposed laws contrary to what those people wanted. They are now concentrating on other states with small populations such as Montana, etc.

Okay, that is what they want. Now if I recall correctly, in ancient Corinth women were actually told to walk around half naked in order to entice the men. They were fearful that the population would eventually cease to exist. Somehow the pagans preferred boys. Is this what the 'gay' agenda is? To make the world cease to exist?

Then came Rome. They decided everything Greek was preferable and paid enormous sums for 'pretty' young boys. Amazing what happens when a society becomes 'demonic'. These were the same people that cheered at the sacrifices in the coliseum, after all showing compassion was simply not 'politically' correct.

My concern, and the concern of all Christians has always been that if it became socially acceptable, as it has, then when young boys are at a certain age where their sexuality as a man is not fully developed, can they be swayed. I guess we can say for sure now that our concerns were real. What exists today was unheard of 100 plus years ago, simply because it would never, never enter a boy's mind.

Today the opposite exists. Homosexuality is being imposed in their developing eleven, twelve and thirteen year old minds through our schools, media, etc. But then again, just another sign of how far from God we are.

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Zenovia remembers "I recall many years ago hearing about a church that was so threatened by the homosexuals that the members were frightened to leave."

How's that again?

I can readily understand that people might be afraid to attend a church (or other organization) under the described conditions, but why would they be afraid NOT to attend?

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Perhaps Zenovia means that there was a gay demonstration outside or something like that? confused

Surely you have heard of the audacious interrruptions of Mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral or the lewd and MOCKING shows put on on those sacred steps. If not, ask Fr. Benedict Groeschel.

What a person chooses to do is his own business, and I am not at all intolerant of anybody. Whoever knows me personally knows that. I am very 'cool', 'with it' and very loving towards all....

However, in my humble opinion, I think that we should stop empowering this agenda and allowing it to even be somewhat politically incorrect to speak up against it (the agenda- NOT the individuals) within conservative Christian venues.

Anyone with children or grandchildren will know what I am talking about...health classes where gay encounters are taught in detail, first grade reading books of 'my two mommies/or daddies', etc.

Alice, who thinks that enough is really getting to be enough already. frown

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I still try to understand why in the USA there is this concept of polical corectness.
I do believe that we MUST speak very aloud against these abominations. Otherwise we will be judged also for our cowerdness, silence.
We have to speak more, without fear, about the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, the second Divine person of the Most Holy Trinity.
Let us remember of Lot, you know the whole story.

Instead paying attention to this odd agenda, let us ask our souls why there is needed a whole G8 summit regarding the poverty, why the Muslim world behaves so, why is this huge difference between USA, EU and Africa, and so on. I mean the real causes and reasons.

As Christians, everyone in her or his place, we must create an agenda from the Christian viewpoint.
My sisters and brothers, we live so times! May God have mercy upon our souls.

Indeed, only the mercy of God...
I hope my English is understood.

In Christ, with love for all of you, brotherly, Marian

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Marion your English is always understood. You do a really good job of getting your point across. BRAVO!

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BTW I did get my computer fixed and it didn't cost me anything. Some have suggested that what I need isd a Macintosh or Linux, because PC's are prone to virus infestation. Perhaps so.

On the subject at hand. If a person wishes to continue on a path to hell I believe it is incumbant upon us to try to convince the person to follow Christ instead. If that doesn't work we simply leave them to their own devices. Nevertheless, they don't have to practice their sin on the public streets which I pay for. We arrest Prostitutes and their customers. Why do we pay gays to act out their immorality on our public streets? Why must Churches tolerate the lewd behavior of gay activists on the steps of their Churches?

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Dear Daniel,

Linux is great, but is a Greek Computer. Apple Macintoshes are now Unix powered but have a user-friendly interface, so you would be better of going that way. I got frustrated with WIndows quite some time ago and now use Apple Macintosh machines exclusively and have never been infected with a virus or syware.

If a parade is going to have acts that would get an R or NC-17 rating in a movie, it should not be allowed, so I have no problem with banning such a thing, based on the history of these celebrating pride events. Many Church Fathers have called pride the gateway sin to all others.

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Dear Alice, yes I am vaguely aware of such annoying goings-on in front of Saint Patrick's Cathedral. There are laws against interfering with a religious service, so the question in my mind would be: are the police declining to enforce the law, or is the archdiocese of New York declining to ask the police to enforce the law?

Causing any sort of nuisance (other than, say, the crowds which accompany holiday events or the crowds that go Xmas-shopping) in front of the cathedral to the extent that the worshippers are unable to go in and out freely is certainly interfering with a religious service. I'm reasonably certain that the gays have the right of freedom of assembly in New York, so again it is no more than right to insist that Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Orthodox Jews or any other law-abiding religious community must have the same right.

By the way - on a totally different (and far more edifying) topic - have you ever visited Saint Patrick's Old Cathedral? It's near Houston Street and Broadway, or something like that. Anyway, it's of considerable historical interest in the development of the American concept of freedom of religion; there are some worthwhile tablets from the state and from some historical societies recording events that occurred there in that connection. And yes, it is still very much a functioning church.

Incognitus

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