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The "Real" Anti-Americans #189490
02/04/05 03:16 PM
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Excellent article that many here could learn from by reading and taking to heart.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0113-21.htm


I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
-Mohandas Gandhi
Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189491
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Dear Moe,

Excellent article - thanks for sharing.

But the notion of name-calling isn't just with the "rightie-tighties."

"Liberal-wiberals" have that market cornered too.

And when are we going to have a truly democratic discussion on this matter? Is that possible?

Are you not telling, rather than asking us, to read the article and accept it for our own good etc.?

Alex

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189492
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I've noticed the same thing. I used to listen to some of those guys and I realized they're crazy. They all tell people to "quit their whining" and such, when people say things like "I can't get a job" -- "quit your whining, welfare crack mom, Bush has made our country safer"

sorry to get political there. Thanks for the link. to be fair, I think Michael Moore and Al Franken give the Left just as bad a name.

Has anyone seen Team America: World Police? Though Tray Parker and Matt Stone offend EVERYONE, their satire usually speaks the honest, sick, truth. and other stuff you might not want to sit through...

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189493
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Professor Alex,

I went through a phase when I believed the government ought to address every need long before we knew we had it. I was a Democrat and figured that even if I had no particular needs that it was the government's responsibility to make some up and tax the devil out of everyone. What did any of us need with money anyway?

Than it began to dawn on me. The govenment tended to do a very poor job of caring for my or my communities needs. If they would just leave me the money and show me how to get educated then we could do a better job of caring for people and have more money for our own needs than ever before.

The most frightening words the government ever says it, "We're here to help." Run for your lives.

Dan L

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189494
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The triumph of Gingrich. Make a list of names that are derogatory and always use them in association with liberals, progressives, Democrats. Well he succeeded when at the beginning he made those speeches on the floor of congress before an empty house.
I, for one, am not so ready to accept a label. Am I conservative, liberal, traditionalist, progressive? Guess it depends on the definition and the issue. I am a Democrat--for many reasons--among which are civil rights, social security, the support of workers' rights, etc. etc. I didn't like the way my ancestors were treated by the so-called conservatives when they came to this country. I could go on and on, but I'll end by saying that I recognize that the Democratic party is not what it was years ago, but at least it won't give tax breaks to millionaires and moan that there isn't enough money for your grandmothers.

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189495
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Vito,

How does allowing Social Security to be destroyed make the Democrats supportive of it? I think you'd better do some more thinking on this matter. Moreover, I don't see how a Christian supports the killing of babies. Maybe you have some rational for that. And again, the Democrats are the ones who supported slavery. It was the Republicans who ended it.

I bought the Democrat rhetoric for years until it became clear that they are all talk and no action.

Dan L

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189496
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Originally posted by Dan Lauffer:
And again, the Democrats are the ones who supported slavery. It was the Republicans who ended it.

I bought the Democrat rhetoric for years until it became clear that they are all talk and no action.

Dan L
and all those Southern Democrats who opposed civil rights tooth and nail now find a home in the GOP.

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189497
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Dan, Your opinion about Social Security insurance is one with which I disagree. I am a Christian and a registered Democrat and I don't support baby killing. Brian has explained to you the facts about the Dixiecrats. As I said earlier, the Democrats have changed from my father's day and grandfather's day; but in my opinion they still are the party of the "common man" in comparison to the rightist Republicans. I think, as we become older and less idealistic and have accumulated stocks and bonds; it's natural to tend toward political conservatism. Another thing, it seems to me that those rightist non-mainline protestants with whom Catholics have been aligning with on some social issues were and still are among the most virulent anti-Catholics.

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189498
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Vito,

New Gingrich is actually from my hometown (Carrollton, Georgia)- - -well, he's actually from somewhere like Ohio but lived here and was one of my dad's professors in college and in high school. His Ohio (or whatever it is) accent bothers me so much, and it kills me to think that some people might mistake him for a Georgian.

His ex-wife is very good friends with my grandmother and I see her quite often. Incidentally, my grandmother hates Newt. LOL

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Dan said: I was a Democrat and figured that even if I had no particular needs that it was the government's responsibility to make some up and tax the devil out of everyone. What did any of us need with money anyway?
I hate to disappoint you, Dan, but it seems you did not fully comprehend what the Democratic Party is all about! I wouldn't call those viewpoints Democratic as much as, well, individual.

Logos Teen

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189499
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The most frightening words the government ever says it, "We're here to help." Run for your lives.
National Defense.
Civil rights.
Workplace safety.
Enormous strides in Public Health, not just in medicine but in sanitation, air and water quality.
Access to higher education.
Enabling initiatives in high technology - the aerospace industry, the computer industry, electrification, ...
...

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189500
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Dear Teen, The murmurings are already being heard: "Newt for president in 08!" He's ex-wife is from a town here not far from mine. Vito P.S. I think Gingrich originally from PA.

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189501
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Friends,

As I've noted before I wish we had a Catholic king. I don't like any of the other candidates very much. But I guess we're stuck.

Dan L

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189502
02/05/05 05:19 PM
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What have the Romans ever done for us?

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National Defense.
Civil rights.
Workplace safety.
Enormous strides in Public Health, not just in medicine but in sanitation, air and water quality.
Access to higher education.
Enabling initiatives in high technology - the aerospace industry, the computer industry, electrification, ...
Let's face, only the Romans could keep order in a place like this!

Don't forget the wine, Reg.

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189503
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Had to google to find out what you were talking about. Walked right into that! shocked

Always look on the bright side of life. wink

Re: The "Real" Anti-Americans #189504
02/06/05 09:07 PM
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but I'll end by saying that I recognize that the Democratic party is not what it was years ago,
but at least it won't give tax breaks to millionaires and moan that there isn't enough money for your
grandmothers.
Forget about the tax breaks. Think about the tax loop holes, and you'll find the real billionaires. Our whole system is off, and very unjust.

Now some say that we should have a flat tax, and stop the loop holes. But then, what would happen to mortagages and charities? Everything would have to be considered.

Others say that we should do what they do in many European countries, and tax only the goods that people buy. The more expensive something is, the higher the taxes on it.

That sounds great, after all if some rock star wants a Rolls Royce, why shouldn't he be taxed higher than someone buying an average car.

The problem though with that is that it might cut production, and people will end up losing jobs.

Whatever the problem, at least Pres. Bush is going to try to make some changes. They are sorely needed. Somehow though, I feel the accountants that are so dependant on making money figuring out all those loop holes for their clients, will put up a big propaganda fight...and they are bound to have the Democrat support.

Zenovia

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