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#207536 - 07/07/06 02:21 PM he suffered, died and was buried
Mark of Ephesus Offline
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Registered: 05/13/05
Posts: 93
Loc: Dallas
All,

Can anyone explain the addition to the Creed above? I'm referring specifically to the addition of "died' to the above clause in the Creed. I understand that the insertion appears in the ICEL text of the Roman Mass.

"Died" is neither found in the Greek nor Latin texts of the creed:

Crucifìxus etiam pro nobis sub Pòntio Pilàto;
passus et sepùltus est

Σταυρωθέντα τε υπέρ ημών επί Ποντίου Πιλάτου καί παθόντα καί ταφέντα.

Does the current Byzantine Liturgy include "died" in the Creed? And does the proposed liturgy employ it?

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#207537 - 07/07/06 02:49 PM Re: he suffered, died and was buried
Steve Petach Offline
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Registered: 11/09/01
Posts: 645
Loc: Reseda CA
Mark,

As far as I know, the answer to both is, no. The current text and the revised text do not use the word "died".

As for explaining it, I have no idea why ICEL included it in the Roman Mass.

Steve

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#207538 - 07/07/06 04:58 PM Re: he suffered, died and was buried
Fr Serge Keleher Offline
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Registered: 06/22/06
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Loc: Dublin
Why ICEL added that word to the Nicene Creed, I simply don't know. I do know that some English translations of the Divine Liturgy have used the ICEL translation of the Creed, complete with this unwelcome interpolation.

Fr Serge

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#207539 - 07/07/06 05:42 PM Re: he suffered, died and was buried
Elijahmaria Offline
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Registered: 02/11/06
Posts: 1625
Loc: New York
Quote:
Originally posted by Serge Keleher:
Why ICEL added that word to the Nicene Creed, I simply don't know. I do know that some English translations of the Divine Liturgy have used the ICEL translation of the Creed, complete with this unwelcome interpolation.

Fr Serge
Because in the west, as with Dan Brown for example, or the Jesus Seminar, et alia, there has been an undercurrent of doubt sowed that says that the Christ did not die but was taken from the Cross alive, hidden and then arose, in the sense of returned. In these times it is not at all an unwelcome or irrational or illogical or ungrammatical explanatory addition.

Eli

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