*Starts to wonder where his reply went*
Sorry bout that, I just realized that for some odd reason my defense of what I have said is not here......odd. I'll repost what I had said.
Who has accused the new draft of being heretical? I'm as critical of it as anyone, but I wouldn't go that far.
No one that I know of but myself. I was under the impression that heresy had several "shades", so to speak. Heresy, from what I understand, is a bending and twisting of doctrine, sometimes to the point where it's unrecognizable. In that sense this document is heretical, it twists certain things. Not nearly as badly as a full-blown heresy, but a heresy none-the-less.
Again, I will emphasize that no one but myself that I know of has these ideas. Just in case a bishop thinks that someone did teach me the idea, I will say very very openly that only I thought of this and said it.
So don't think anyone put me up to this, I did it myself.
There's no will to work together, and no real leadership role emerging and that is what is most surprising because there are some strong voices here but no offer to begin anything systematic. And it would take systematic effort on the part of clergy and laity to even get to the point where one could present a unified case for any of the legitimate concerns expressed here, much less advance convincing arguments that would change anything.
This is part of the reason why I made this thread. I know I really can't lead, first off because there are people here who are a thousand times more capable of leading than I am, second because I'm 18 and am having a hard time believing that anyone with the bishop's office will take me seriously. I'm a young'n and I know it, but I still want something done.
We all share the characteristic of not knowing everything; and improving our critical thinking is a lifetime's work. My question to you was not directed at these issues, it was, sincerely, aimed at understanding what streams of information led you to develop your perspectives on the arsonist bishops - in particular, how much of it might have come from the rhetoric here.
I'll repeat it again: I came up with the idea and put myself up to it, because I felt that it needed to be said. The streams of information that led to it was my father's definition of a heresy and my understanding of the how the Liturgy works, that if you change the meanings you change the doctrine, which is a heresy in and of itself. That's how I came to the notion that it was heresy. Again, no one advised me that it was heresy. I'm just saying what I think and am finding that the language in my head and the language in the real world don't quite match up...
There are many bishops in this country where only a properly placed wedge could separate him from his young men. In some cases there have been far too few wedges so fortuitously placed.
Not all behaviors of all bishops are deserving of such staunch and boundless defense as you offer here on every possible occasion, whether it makes real sense or not.
As a side note, I am as loyal as humanly possible to Bishop John Kudrick, my bishop. I've never met a more personable man in my life, and I've heard far too much good about him to think evil of him.
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