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#214958 - 11/23/06 05:08 PM Re: Is Aliquippa the Model For Implementing the Ne [Re: JohnS.]
Fr Serge Keleher Offline
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Well, the Monastery of Chevetogne, Saint Anthony's Church (between the Pontifical Oriental Institute and the Russicum), the Pontifical Greek College, the Church of Saint Athanasius in urbe, and a whole lot more are under the direct jurisdiction of the Holy See - and I can assure you from personal experience that they do not do the sort of things that the revisionists are seeking to coerce the Ruthenian Metropolia into doing. Nor are such aberrations characteristic of the Eparchy of Lungro, the Eparchy of Piana degli Albanesi, or the Apostolic Exarchate in Athens.

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#214962 - 11/23/06 07:14 PM Re: Is Aliquippa the Model For Implementing the Ne [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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Originally Posted By: Serge Keleher
Well, the Monastery of Chevetogne, Saint Anthony's Church (between the Pontifical Oriental Institute and the Russicum), the Pontifical Greek College, the Church of Saint Athanasius in urbe, and a whole lot more are under the direct jurisdiction of the Holy See - and I can assure you from personal experience that they do not do the sort of things that the revisionists are seeking to coerce the Ruthenian Metropolia into doing. Nor are such aberrations characteristic of the Eparchy of Lungro, the Eparchy of Piana degli Albanesi, or the Apostolic Exarchate in Athens.

Father Serge
Father Bless!

I have to ask then, why is the Metropolia going through this horrible trial?

I find it hard to believe that there is no higher plan, what is the plan? What is the motivation?

It is said that generals usually plan for the last war, rarely the next one. Is that what has happened here...some 1970's agendum coming to life?

Or perhaps the idea is to crop short the liturgy enough to make it easier for any priest to handle two or more parishes on a Sunday?

My first inclination was always to trust the bishops, and I posted that opinion many times in prior discussions. But I am on the outside looking in and not a liturgical scholar by any means, the level of alarm coming from the insiders has not abated so I have to wonder how it ever came to be like this.

Is everyone on this board perhaps overreacting? confused

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#214974 - 11/24/06 12:37 AM Re: Is Aliquippa the Model For Implementing the Ne [Re: Hesychios]
lanceg Offline
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Registered: 08/19/06
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To All:

Although I have attended a Byzantine parish for six years now, I am relatively new to the forum. I am already alarmed reading what some of the proposed new changes might be.

I get the sense reading different threads in the RDL forum that most are against the proposed changes.

So my question is: what can we do about it? How do we make our voice heard? Is it too late to do anything?



Z Bohom

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#214976 - 11/24/06 02:02 AM Re: Is Aliquippa the Model For Implementing the Ne [Re: lanceg]
Fr Serge Keleher Offline
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The question has been raised of why the Pittsburgh Metropolia is going through this trauma. I suggest a careful reading of my book, but meanwhile here are a few thoughts:

a) much of the problem originates in the specific history of what is now the Pittsburgh Metropolia;

b) as the questioner suggested, some of the problem originates in the not-uncommon tendency to prepare to fight the previous war, so to speak. This has led to the adoption of certain presumptions which motivated the reform of the Roman Rite after Vatican II, coupled with a refusal to examine dispassionately the results of that reform. In spite of strenuous assertions to the contrary, these presumptions are not held by the Orthodox, or by most Greek-Catholics.

c) Pittsburgh is indeed suffering a clergy shortage - and that is not unique to the Pittsburgh Metropolia. Whether a wholesale recasting of the Divine Liturgy would somehow alleviate that clergy shortage is highly debatable.

d) there are still those who cling to the notion that the Pittsburgh Metropolia needs a Liturgy which would be unique to that jurisdiction - having little or nothing in common with the Orthodox or with other Greek-Catholics. That Rome has mandated the opposite goal does not impress the supporters of that argument (probably because the underpinnings of the argument are emotional).

I hope that will do for a starter. Again, please read my book with attention.

Father Serge

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#214980 - 11/24/06 05:32 AM Re: Is Aliquippa the Model For Implementing the Ne [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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This thread is way off topic! None of the posts in the last couple of days have anything to do with the topic at hand, and it has become a general gripe session for what may be perceived as the ills of the Ruthenian Church. This section is devoted to the proposed Revised Divine Liturgy of the the Metropolia. General debate and topics of the like should be posted in the appropriate sections of the forum. Non-Revised Divine Liturgy posts and threads will be either deleted or closed from this point on. To emphasize this point, I am thanking posters that have participated to this point, but since multiple warnings to keep this thread on topic have been ignored this thread is now closed.

In IC XC,
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