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#209108 - 07/08/06 11:06 AM
A Book on the Liturgy: UGCC
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This link was just forwarded to me by someone that has read it and thinks that it may add to the debates and discussions. Maybe someone has this in their library or it is available through their parish. I would be intersted in thoughts on the book and what is presented. In IC XC, Father Anthony+ UGCC Liturgy Book The Divine Liturgy: An Anthology for Worship
Rev. Peter Galadza, Editor-in-Chief; Joseph Roll, Associate Editor; J. Michael Thompson, Associate Editor; Rt. Rev. Roman Galadza; Rev. John Sianchuk, CSSR
Published by The Metropolitan Andrey Sheptytsky Institute of Eastern Christian Studies
A one-volume source for singing the Divine Liturgy in English with sections in Ukrainian. This book contains Sundays, Festal and Weekday Musical Settings for the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, Music for the Liturgy of Saint Basil the Great, the Hours in English, Propers for the Liturgical Year, Tables for Scriptural Readings, Hymns and Carols, Blessings and Other Brief Rites. Exquisite in appearance, the book carries the endorsement of Patriarch Lubomyr Husar. xiv, 1160 pp.
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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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#209109 - 07/08/06 11:10 AM
Re: A Book on the Liturgy: UGCC
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Father
I think quite few of us possess this book - I certainly do
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#209111 - 07/08/06 12:11 PM
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Father Anthony, Thank you for posting this. This is going to be a strange question. Looking at the first sample pdf file, I find the following: ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
The Sacred and Divine Liturgy of Our Holy Father John Chrysostom
(Synod of the Hierarchy of the Ukrainian Catholic Church, 1988).
Note that royalties from the sale of the present volume will be
forwarded by the Sheptytsky Institute to the offices of His Beatitude,
Lubomyr Husar, in exchange for permission to re-produce the text
of the aforementioned publication.
David M. Petras, Ambon Prayers of the Byzantine Church (Fairfax
Virginia: Eastern Christian Publications, 2000) for all of the
Alternate Ambo Prayers published in the present volume.
Revised Standard Version Bible, 2nd edition (New York: Division of
Christian Education of the National Council of Churches of Christ
in the USA, 1971) for the text of the eleven Matins resurrection
gospels.
Permission for re-production of chorales translated by Mitred
Archpriest Conrad B. Dachuck is granted by the translator for this
publication only. All subsequent permissions must be requested
directly from Fr. Dachuck.
Chorales translated by Joseph Roll and J. Michael Thompson have
been reproduced here with their permission and remain
copyrighted.
How is it that we have the right to copyright the Divine Liturgy? How can we copyright music used by an entire Church in all its parishes? Does that mean the holder of the copyright gets a percentage of all the tithes? The Byzantine Daily Prayers is copyrighted. My Bible is copyrighted. It really really bothers me that people can copyright the Word of God. I thought Our Lord and Savior set the example when He went into the Temple and overturned all the tables of the money changers and sellers because it was wrong. Should not the work that goes into these books and music be labors of love with the anticipated reward of eternal life? I understand the need of the publisher to make a small profit for the printing and labor, and maybe some royalties to be returned to the contributor to go towards the Church, but that is about it. Personally, anything geared towards God and salvation should be public domain, forever! Just wanted to vent. Sorry. Michael
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#209112 - 07/08/06 12:33 PM
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Note: neither of the links posted by djs above reflect the 1987/88 Liturgikon. They are actually versions taken from BCC versions. The closest on-line facsimile at the present is http://vi06n140.members.eunet.at/ugcc/eunet_02/LiturgyENG.pdf Please note that this version also has some variations in translation from the English 1987/88 Liturgikon and pew books, and does not indicate the optional additional litanies, second antiphon, and Psalm 33 which any priest may take. Please also note that all of these versions are ad usum privatum and are not Synodal texts. FDD
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#209113 - 07/08/06 12:42 PM
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Thanks FDD, Do you know of any texts from the English 1987/88 Liturgikon on line? Or other version that superceded it? (Is there a later version from Parma?) Can you make a brief comment on whether the differences in text between your link and the version in the latest Litugikon are relevant ot the many points fdiscussed on the thread on Fr. Serge's book?
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#209114 - 07/08/06 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by Michael B: Father Anthony,
Thank you for posting this.
This is going to be a strange question. Looking at the first sample pdf file, I find the following:
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
The Sacred and Divine Liturgy of Our Holy Father John Chrysostom
(Synod of the Hierarchy of the Ukrainian Catholic Church, 1988).
Note that royalties from the sale of the present volume will be
forwarded by the Sheptytsky Institute to the offices of His Beatitude,
Lubomyr Husar, in exchange for permission to re-produce the text
of the aforementioned publication.
David M. Petras, Ambon Prayers of the Byzantine Church (Fairfax
Virginia: Eastern Christian Publications, 2000) for all of the
Alternate Ambo Prayers published in the present volume.
Revised Standard Version Bible, 2nd edition (New York: Division of
Christian Education of the National Council of Churches of Christ
in the USA, 1971) for the text of the eleven Matins resurrection
gospels.
Permission for re-production of chorales translated by Mitred
Archpriest Conrad B. Dachuck is granted by the translator for this
publication only. All subsequent permissions must be requested
directly from Fr. Dachuck.
Chorales translated by Joseph Roll and J. Michael Thompson have
been reproduced here with their permission and remain
copyrighted.
The Byzantine Daily Prayers is copyrighted. My Bible is copyrighted. It really really bothers me that people can copyright the Word of God.
I thought Our Lord and Savior set the example when He went into the Temple and overturned all the tables of the money changers and sellers because it was wrong. Should not the work that goes into these books and music be labors of love with the anticipated reward of eternal life?
I understand the need of the publisher to make a small profit for the printing and labor, and maybe some royalties to be returned to the contributor to go towards the Church, but that is about it. Personally, anything geared towards God and salvation should be public domain, forever!
Just wanted to vent. Sorry.
Michael Well Michael, You are more the bibliophile than I, so maybe you can answer that.  All kidding aside, it is not unusual to see Liturgical books copyrighted. Look through a number of them including the Roman Missal, and you will see what I am saying. My guess is to protect the hard work and efforts of those that worked on it, and not having their efforts claimed by others. Most are produced by small presses and I guess they would want to recover as much of the cost of production as possible. Other than that, I can not offer any explanation. In IC XC, Father Anthony+
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#209117 - 07/08/06 02:58 PM
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But the liturgy on their website is not a BCC edition, is it?
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#209119 - 07/09/06 05:27 PM
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On the point of copyrights: obviously nobody can copyright the original text of the Bible (even if we had the original text). But books do not translate themselves; if someone or some group goes to the trouble and effort of preparing a translation of all or part of the Bible they are entitled to hold the copyright.
The same applies to the service-books. No one could copyright the Greek text, or any particular Church-Slavonic version, of the Divine Liturgy of Saint John Chyrsostom. But those who make translations of service-books have invested considerably time and effort, and are entitled to hold the copyright.
When I was much younger, I said to a valued predecessor in the field of liturgical translations that it seemed odd to copyright a service-book in any language. My older friend looked at his shelf and took down a large Trebnyk. He held it up, smiled at me, and said "Here, Public Domain, here's a Trebnik. Translate it!".
Fr. Serge
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#209120 - 07/09/06 08:57 PM
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Dear Fathers Anthony and Serge, Thank you both for enlightening me regarding the copyright issues and needs. I understand more fully now. That does not necessarily mean that I fully agree, but I do understand. It is important to receive credit for your work. In Christ, Michael
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#209121 - 07/09/06 09:01 PM
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Michael, I guess you will have to speak to my publisher about that. Remember the old Jewish saying, "From your lips to God's ears". In IC XC, Father Anthony+ (Who BTW does not publish any liturgical books) 
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