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#209122 - 11/08/06 01:40 PM
Translation of the Great Doxology
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What is the correct translation (from the Greek) of the beginning of the Great Doxology? The comparable prayer in Latin is, "Gloria in excelsis Deo et in terra pax hominibus bonae voluntatis...," if my memory is correct. This would be, "Glory to God in the highest and on earth, peace to men of good will."
The new translation of the Great Doxology uses "people"--"Glory to God in the highest and peace to His people on earth." Even some old translations state, "peace and good will to men," which is quite different from the Latin.
Peace is for not for all men, but those of good will.
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#209123 - 11/08/06 02:39 PM
Re: Translation of the Great Doxology
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Which new translation of the Great Doxology are you referring to?
Yours in Christ,
Jeff Mierzejewski
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#209124 - 11/08/06 03:29 PM
Re: Translation of the Great Doxology
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I am comparing the one my Byzantine Catholic Church uses in Sunday matins which is, "Glory to God in the highest and peace to his people on earth," (this is also what the Latins use in translation) with what is in the little black Byzantine Book of Prayer which is, "Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace and good will to men." I am comparing all of this with the beginning of the Gloria in Latin.
I am trying to find out what the Greek is to see if it is consistent with the Latin or whether in the original Greek, there is also a difference.
It would be interesting to see what the Old Slavonic is as well.
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#209125 - 11/08/06 03:38 PM
Re: Translation of the Great Doxology
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The current translation in the 64 Liturgicon is: "Glory be to God in the highest and on earth peace, goodwill among men."
If I remeber my Byzantine commentary correctly the peace and goodwill among men is Christ. He comes among all men whether they are peaceful or of goodwill. Goodwill in the Greek is a noun not an adjective modifying men, I believe.
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#209126 - 11/08/06 03:44 PM
Re: Translation of the Great Doxology
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Do you know if the Greek is available anywhere on the internet?
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#209127 - 11/08/06 04:02 PM
Re: Translation of the Great Doxology
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In the Latin, will is also a noun, which is modified by good, an adjective. It appears that you are saying that in the Greek, "good will" is a single term. What case is it in?
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#209128 - 11/08/06 05:18 PM
Re: Translation of the Great Doxology
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Dear lm, There are Greek/English texts available here. I found the beginning of the doxology: Δόξα εν υψίστοις θεώ, και επί γης ειρήνη, εν ανθρώποις ευδοκία.
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#209129 - 11/08/06 05:28 PM
Re: Translation of the Great Doxology
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For those of you interested, I found a zip file of the Greek texts of the liturgy here. This is good, since I can't read Slavonic, but can read a little Greek.
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#209130 - 11/08/06 05:58 PM
Re: Translation of the Great Doxology
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It appears that there are variant translations of Luke 2:14.
The RSV is: 14* "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among men with whom he is pleased!" *
The RSV notes however that some other ancient authorities use "peace, good will among men."
The Greek of Luke 2:14 is sometimes eudokia and sometimes eudokias.
In any event nothing (except the great desire to avoid the term, "men") justifies "his people on earth."
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#209132 - 11/09/06 11:57 PM
Re: Translation of the Great Doxology
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The Greek Orthoodox translation of the Great Doxology is:
Glory to God, Who has shown us the Light!
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth, peace, good will toward men!
We praise You! We bless You! We worship You!
We glorify You and give thanks to You for Your great glory!
O Lord God, Heavenly King, God the Father Almighty!
O Lord, the Only‑Begotten Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit!
O Lord God, Lamb of God, Son of the Father, Who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us!
You, Who take away the sins of the world, receive our prayer!
You, Who sit on the right hand of God the Father, have mercy on us!
For You alone are holy, and You alone are Lord. You alone, O Lord Jesus Christ, are most high in the glory of God the Father! Amen!
I will give thanks to You every day and praise Your Name forever and ever.
Lord, You have been our refuge from generation to generation! I said,
“Lord, have mercy on me. Heal my soul, for I have sinned against You!”
Lord, I flee to You. Teach me to do Your will, for You are my God. For with
You is the fountain of Life, and in Your light shall we see light. Continue
Your lovingkindness to those who know You.
Vouchsafe, O Lord, to keep us this day without sin.
Blessed are You, O Lord, the God of our fathers, and praised and glorified is Your
Name forever. Amen.
Let Your mercy be upon us, O Lord, even as we have set our hope on You.
Blessed are You, O Lord; teach me Your statutes.
Blessed are You, O Master; make me to understand Your commandments.
Blessed are You, O Holy One; enlighten me with Your precepts.
Your mercy endures forever, O Lord! Do not despise the works of Your hands!
To You belongs worship, to You belongs praise, to You belongs glory: to the Father
and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen.
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