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#209663 - 05/22/05 08:23 PM Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
Ung-Certez Offline
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So who is making this a mandate, Rome or the Ruthenian Metropolitan??

Ungcsertezs

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#209664 - 05/22/05 09:13 PM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
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#209665 - 05/22/05 09:35 PM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
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It appears no one knows.

Dan L

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#209666 - 05/22/05 09:49 PM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
Ung-Certez Offline
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I'having a flash back to 1967 when Bp. Elko was recalled, and no info was sent to the laity until
what 6 months later? Nothing ever really changes!

Ung-Certez

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#209667 - 05/22/05 11:11 PM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
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My understanding is that it came from our hierarchs, was sent to Rome for review and the additional input of specialists, was approved and then returned to the Metropolia where it was set aside (or studied further) until recently.

I would highly doubt that the request came directly from Rome. What would lead Rome to choose our specific jurisdiction over others for a new translation?

Bottom line? All I know is second and third hand, so it isn't worth much.

Gordo

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#209668 - 05/23/05 03:09 AM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
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The revision is not being mandated by Rome but is the initiative of the council of hierarchs.

When Metropolitan Judson was still alive, I believe, a basic translation and revisions of rubrics were approved by the proper Vatican authorities. This is still the basic text that is supposed to be promulgated by the Metropolitan soon.

What would be interesting to know is whether there have been further revisions since that time and whether or not these subsequent revisions were submitted given explicit approval from competent Roman authorities.

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#209669 - 05/23/05 05:47 AM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
antonius Offline
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It's one thing to attempt a more accurate
translation. It's a completely different
thing to use this new translation as a vehicle
for "sneaking in" politically correct/inclusive
language such as replacing

"for he is gracious and he loves mankind"

with

"for he is good and loves us all".

My opinion of this whole new translation/new
rubrics fiasco can be summed up by the quote:

"Iceberg, Right Ahead !!!!"


antonius

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#209670 - 05/23/05 07:32 AM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
Ung-Certez Offline
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So my point is that Rome can not "mandate" anything to a specific "SUI JURIS" Eastern Catholic Church. Why are the faithful being told that these particular changes are a directive
from Rome? This is impossible according to how Rome governs Eastern Catholic Churches.

Ungcsertezs

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#209671 - 05/23/05 07:44 AM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
antonius Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ung-Certez:
So my point is that Rome can not "mandate" anything to a specific "SUI JURIS" Eastern Catholic Church. Why are the faithful being told that these particular changes are a directive
from Rome? This is impossible according to how Rome governs Eastern Catholic Churches.

Ungcsertezs
I am beginning to think that telling the
faithful that these changes are "a directive
from Rome" is just a convenient "cover" for
those in the Byzantine hierarchy that don't
want to take responsibility for them.
Rome can be blamed for many things, but I
don't think this is one of them......

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#209672 - 05/23/05 08:06 AM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
Ung-Certez Offline
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My thoughts exactly!

Ungcsertezs

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#209673 - 05/23/05 08:28 PM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
Ung-Certez Offline
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Does anybody have an address for the Congregation for the Eastern (Rite) Catholic Churches in Rome? I would like to hear it form them that they have "mandated" the changes in the Divine Liturgy for the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Metropolitan "Sui" Juris" Church in America. An e-mail address would be even better! wink

Ungcsertezs

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#209674 - 05/24/05 07:54 AM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
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They have a mailing address, a phone number, and
a FAX number, but I can't find an e-mail address...

antonius

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#209675 - 05/24/05 08:02 AM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
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I am not criticizing your desire to write to Rome. You have a perfect right to do so. But I would like to SEE the new liturgy before writing anyone. So far, all the complaints seem to be based on rumor, and what is, or is not happening in Passaic.

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#209676 - 05/24/05 08:12 AM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
Ung-Certez Offline
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But is it not wrong for the Metropolia to go and tell the faithful that "Rome is mandating these changes"? This really is "hierarchical irresponsibility" to the fullest extend!

Ungcsertezs

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#209677 - 05/24/05 08:25 AM Re: Who is mandating the "revised" liturgy and rubrics?
antonius Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by byzanTN:
So far, all the complaints seem to be based on rumor, and what is, or is not happening in Passaic.
The copies I have seen so far have INCLUSIVE
language, and that in itself is enough for
me be GREATLY apprehensive as to the final
version...........................

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