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#214528 - 11/20/06 08:08 PM Words from Optina
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"Never prefer your will to the will of your brother."
[font:Comic Sans MS]Abba Dorotheus[/font]

Alexandr

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#214573 - 11/21/06 06:25 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Repentance is the renewal of baptism. Repentance is a contract with God for a second life. A penitent is a buyer of humility. Repentance is constant distrust of bodily comfort. Repentance is self-condemning reflection, and carefree self-care. Repentance is the daughter of hope and the renunciation of despair. A penitent is an undisgraced convict. Repentance is reconciliation with the Lord by the practice of good deeds contrary to the sins. Repentance is purification of conscience. Repentance is the voluntary endurance of all afflictions. A penitent is the inflicter of his own punishments. Repentance is a mighty persecution of the stomach, and a striking of the soul into vigorous awareness.

[font:Comic Sans MS]St. John of the Ladder[/font]

Alexandr

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#214805 - 11/22/06 12:24 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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One of the Fathers said, "The Christian who only remembers to speak with God when it is the given time for prayer, has not yet learnt how to pray."

Alexandr

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#214939 - 11/23/06 12:57 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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When you are praying, watch over yourself so that not only your outward man prays, but your inward one also. Though you be sinful beyond measure, still pray. Do not heed the devil's provocation, craftiness, and despair, but overcome and conquer his wiles. Remember the abyss of the Saviour's mercy and love to mankind. The devil will represent the Lord's fact to you as terrible and unmerciful, rejecting your prayer and repentance; but remember the Saviour's own words, full of every hope and boldness for us: `Him that cometh to Me, I will in no wise cast out'; and `Come unto Me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden' - with sins and iniquities, and wiles and calumnies of the devil - and I will give you rest.'

St. John of Kronstadt, My Life in Christ


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#215029 - 11/24/06 01:40 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"Keep your mind in Hell and despair not"

St. Silouan the Athonite


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#215112 - 11/25/06 08:19 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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If God is slow in answering your request, and you ask but do not promptly receive anything, do not be upset, for you are not wiser than God. When you remain as you were before, without anything happening, it is either because your behaviour is not worthy of your request, or because the paths in which your heart was travelling were far removed from the aim of your prayer, or because your interior condition is far too childish, when compared with the magnitude of the thing for which you have asked.

St. Isaac of Nineveh [Syria], The Syriac Fathers on Prayer and the Spiritual Life.


Alexandr

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#215182 - 11/26/06 10:04 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Consider well my soul: Dost thou fast? Then despise not thy neighbor. Dost thou abstain from food? Condemn not thy brother. Sunday of Orthodoxy, Matins. - "The Lenten Triodion"

Alexandr

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#215276 - 11/27/06 08:31 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Saint Mark the Ascetic writes, " There is a sin which is always 'unto death' [1 Jn 5:16]; the sin which we have not repented. Even a saint's prayer's will not be heard for the unrepented sin. The person who repents correctly does not imagine that his sins are cancelled through his own effort; but knows that through this effort he makes peace with God."

Alexandr

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#215291 - 11/28/06 12:28 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"Love Christ and put nothing before His Love. Christ is Everything. He is the source of life, the ultimate desire,He is everything. Everything beautiful is in Christ."

Elder Porphyrios


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#215378 - 11/28/06 06:33 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"In Christianity truth is not a philosophical concept nor is it a
theory, a teaching, or a system, but rather, it is the living
theanthropic hypostasis - the historical Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
Before Christ men could only conjecture about the Truth since they
did not possess it. With Christ as the incarnate divine Logos the
eternally complete divine Truth enters into the world. For this
reason the Gospel says: "Truth came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:17)."

St. Justin Popovich

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#215520 - 11/29/06 09:16 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"When you pray to God in time of temptation do not say, 'Take this
or that away from me', but pray like this: 'O Jesus Christ,
sovereign Master, help me and do not let me sin against Thee. . .'

Abba Isaiah the Solitary

Alexandr

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#215529 - 11/29/06 10:00 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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I hope this isn't breaking into the flow of the quotes. But I want to thank you Alexandr for taking the time to look up these quotes and for posting them. They are great little meditations that we can visit time to time throughout the day.

If you think that this breaks up the flow, please accept my thanks and apology and have the moderator remove my post. smile

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#215616 - 11/30/06 08:31 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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Dr Eric,

Your input is always welcome! I am positively ENCOURAGING comments on them.

Alexandr

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#215618 - 11/30/06 08:41 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"God is a fire that warms and kindles the heart and inward parts.
Hence, if we feel in our hearts the cold which comes from the
devil - for the devil is cold - let us call on the Lord. He will
come to warm our hearts with perfect love, not only for Him but
also for our neighbor, and the cold of him who hates the good will
flee before the heat of His countenance."

St. Seraphim of Sarov


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#215729 - 12/01/06 10:16 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"In the matter of piety, poverty serves us better than wealth, and
work better than idleness, especially since wealth becomes an
obstacle even for those who do not devote themselves to it. Yet,
when we must put aside our wrath, quench our envy, soften our
anger, offer our prayers, and show a disposition which is
reasonable, mild, kindly, and loving, how could poverty stand in
our way? For we accomplish these things not by spending money but
by making the correct choice. Almsgiving above all else requires
money, but even this shines with a brighter luster when the alms
are given from our poverty. The widow who paid in the two mites
was poorer than any human, but she outdid them all."

St. John Chrysostom

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#215742 - 12/01/06 11:39 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Hello??? Anybody out there??? Anybody reading these, or am I wasting my time translating them????

Alexandr

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#215750 - 12/02/06 12:19 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Alexandr,

I read every single one. cool

I really appreciated the quote from St. Seraphim.

Keep 'em comin'! smile

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#215754 - 12/02/06 02:52 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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Alexandr

I suspect that some folk are like me - being exposed to these wonderful writings for the first time.

I'm spellbound by them , and dare not comment other than to say

Thank you

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#215763 - 12/02/06 08:43 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Quote:
Hello??? Anybody out there??? Anybody reading these, or am I wasting my time translating them????


Alexandr:

We're here. We're reading these. No, you're not wasting your time in translation.

In Christ,

BOB

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#215771 - 12/02/06 11:27 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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Dear Alexandr,

This is not the first time I have encountered writings of the Optina Fathers. They strike me as profound today as they did the first time I encountered them. Coincidentally, it was our absent Moderator and brother in Christ, Father Gregory who first introduced them to me.

In a way, their profound wisdom and truths are more for contemplation than discussion...so please don't take offense! smile

Your sister in Christ,
Alice

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#215793 - 12/02/06 02:41 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Alexandr

Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!!

Each of these gems can be food for a day's meditation. Maybe the folks are just sitting quietly by soaking them up like a sponge soaks up water.

In Christ,

BOB

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#215819 - 12/02/06 04:36 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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"I saw the snares that the enemy spreads out over the world and I
said groaning, "What can get through from such snares?" Then I
heard a voice saying to me, "Humility."

St. Anthony the Great


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#215820 - 12/02/06 04:40 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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I just recieved a wonderful little book from Russia Called "Chistim Tsertse" "With a Pure Heart". It is a little book to be read at the breakfast table with Christian thoughts for the workday. I'll be posting some of it here.

Alexandr

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#215822 - 12/02/06 04:51 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Originally Posted By: Slavipodvizhnik
I just recieved a wonderful little book from Russia Called "Chistim Tsertse" "With a Pure Heart". It is a little book to be read at the breakfast table with Christian thoughts for the workday. I'll be posting some of it here.

I am yet another person who is looking forward to it.

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#215836 - 12/02/06 08:54 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Wondering]
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Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!!

Check out my reference in the book area for further material from the Optina Elders. One example . . .

Elder Ambrose (Vol IV)--On prayer: "If you do not feel like praying, you have to force yourself. The Holy Fathers say that prayer with force is higher than prayer unforced. You do not want to, but force yourself. The Kingdom of Heaven is taken by force."

In Christ,

BOB


Edited by theophan (12/02/06 09:01 PM)

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#215842 - 12/02/06 10:45 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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I know from the teachings of the Holy Fathers that every temptation or illness is sent to us by God as a cure for our infirm soul. For if our body suffers, God forgives our past and present sins and prevents us from sinning in the future. That is why we should wholeheartedly thank the Lord God Who is so merciful to us and turns everything to our benefit and permits us to be ill. Thus, we shouldnt grumble. This is the reason why I am trying, with the help of God, to endure my illness meekly. I have never had as much time for reading soul-profiting books as I have now in my prolonged illness, and therefore I wonderhow shall I thank my God for all He has granted me!

from a letter of Elder Anthony

Alexandr

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#215952 - 12/04/06 12:07 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"The way of humility is this: self-control, prayer, and thinking
yourself inferior to all creatures."

Abba Tithoes

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#216073 - 12/05/06 07:05 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"Why do you trouble yourself in a house that is not your own? Let
the sight of a dead man be a teacher for you concerning your
departure from hence."

St. Isaac the Syrian


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#216135 - 12/06/06 12:54 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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No one has to be embarrassed over his sinful state. There is no man who, while living, does not sin, and the more sinful the man, the stronger will be Gods help in leading him out of his sinful mire. But the help of God comes only when the sinner repents with heartfelt contrition and has the will to reform. Not seeing in himself enough strength of soul to break away from sinful deeds, he asks for Gods help. This is where the mercy of God, Who does not wish the death of the sinner but wants him to be converted and live, is often evident. If the voice of conscience awakens in us a feeling of remorse or repentance, then we must pray fervently to the Guardian Angel of our human existence that he may keep us from corrupt downfalls and help us serve God with fear and trembling.

ELDER MACARIUS OF OPTINA

Alexandr

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#216201 - 12/07/06 12:09 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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If the soul is vigilant and withdraws from all distraction and
abandons its own will, then the spirit of God invades it and it
can conceive because it is free to do so.

Abba Cronius

Alexandr

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#216321 - 12/08/06 01:17 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Every day you provide your bodies with good to keep them from
failing. In the same way your good works should be the daily
nourishment of your hearts. Your bodies are fed with food and your
spirits with good works. You aren't to deny your soul, which is
going to live forever, what you grant to your body, which is going
to die.

St. Gregory the Great

Alexandr

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#216376 - 12/09/06 12:43 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Dear Alexandr,

First let me tell you I enjoy seeing your posts of these little snippets from the Fathers. They address volumes in few words that help ring a bell as to what we should be doing.

It is difficult for me to single out one father from another, for they all bring something to the table in which we can feed ourselves spiritually. Saint Gregory is one of those fathers that does that for me. His words in this excerpt are a reminder of what we should be doing daily. One should be thinking and trying to do in this quotation. How though is the question many would ask.

There are so many things in which we can feed our souls. Personally, prayer should be the appetizer of this meal to get us started. What I mean by that is so many I hear tell me I pray, my reply to them is how do you pray? Do you just recite words that really are not heartfelt words or do you really try to make your words ones of sincerity and actually your own. When you pray is it because of routine or out of spiritual need? Do you actually listen for an answer from God or are you dictating to God? Are you being humble and sincere or prideful like the Pharisee?

How else are you feeding your soul? Do you read the scriptures. I mean really read them trying to understand what is being said, or are you doing it out of a sense of obligation? Do you actually try to take as you have been directed and offer the good works of the gospel as your own actions cheerfully without expecting any reward or praise? Do you actually try to learn from the meaning of what we asked to submit ourselves by sacrifice in fasting, mastering our bodies in order for the spiritual within us to be free to grow closer to God?

Finally the sacraments, especially the Holy and Life-giving Body and Blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ. What does it do for you? Before you think what kind of question is that, think of how I mean that question. Do you approach out of a sense of duty and obligation, or if you truly miss the occasion for some reason to partake does you inner being feel that you are starving spiritually because something truly is missing from your spiritual life that has been feeding your soul?

Finally going back to prayer, our attention and participation in the Divine Services. Are we there out of obligation and to observe, or are we there to be an active participant and to be part of that corporate prayer of the Church?

Many questions, but if we look at Saint Gregory's words, then back to the questions a few times, we may actually see the correlation between both. These words that this great saint of the church are given to us by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, to give us that nudge in our spiritual life. Achieving salvation may be in a way a do-it-yourself task, but without the proper instructions and training, we can not do it ourselves. We need to properly train and learn and then do. We can not do it completely by ourselves, but through the guidance of such words as Saint Gregory, the direction and path that Church gives, we may obtain that goal, by directing ourselves towards the simple words of our Savior, "follow me".

I pray that these words of this great saint and maybe my humble offering may provoke some to strive more earnestly in that struggle towards the goal of achieving salvation, by putting themselves on that proper diet that will produce a healthy Christian.

Forgive me for my ramblings.

In IC XC,
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#216452 - 12/09/06 04:47 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Father Anthony]
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Those last two posts were more edifying than Fr. Anthony or Alexandr could ever know.

I offer my public thanks to Fr. Anthony and Alexandr for posting them!

I look forward to the next installment!

PS What is the Optina?

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#216496 - 12/09/06 09:47 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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Sorry Dr Eric, I should have explained. Optina is a monastery in Russia which is famous for the holy men who have lived there. You can read a little more about it at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optina_Monastery

Alexandr

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#216498 - 12/09/06 09:50 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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A man may seem to be silent, but if his heart is condemning
others, he is babbling ceaselessly. But there may be another who
talks from morning till night and yet he is truly silent, that is,
he says nothing that is not profitable.

Abba Pimen

Alexandr

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#216567 - 12/10/06 10:57 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Oh, what great happiness and bliss, what exaltation it is to
address oneself to the Eternal Father. Always, without fail, value
this joy which has been accorded to you by God's infinite grace
and do not forget it during your prayers; God, the angels and
God's holy men listen to you.

St. John of Kronstadt

Alexandr

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#216574 - 12/10/06 11:43 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Saint John of Kronstadt is one of those that has to be taken in very small doses and pondered upon in order ot be appreciated fully. I have his book, "My Life in Christ" and have to say it is a book I never have been able to read and enjoy. yet when I look at the words such in the above quite, they come alive for me. I would venture to guess, that is how something like his book should be read, by reading small quotes, pondering on them and truly learning the meaning before going on.

Saint John in the above quote actually focuses on something that we seem to neglect in our prayers and in our prayer life. Joy and gratitude. Often we approach prayer as a laundry of of needs both temporal and spiritual. Seldom do we we express joy and thanksgiving. i am sure that if someone kept on coming to you in conversation and they focused on was negativity, demands, and complaints, sooner or later you would be be ignoring them or simply avoid engaging them.

When we pray how often do we examine not only the needs and what is necessarily wrong? Do we actually focus on our blessings and gifts and express gratitude for that? can you say that having opportunities to grow is something that you bring to your prayers and that you are grateful for these chances?

Many times we neglect to do this in our prayers. As you find how you engage others in conversation that you find to be edifying, you also have to approach in prayer the same way. Our prayer should be an honest and joyful conversation with God, not just a list of demands, or a bunch of words that have little meaning to you.

One of the greatest gifts I ever learned, was to carefully focus on what I was saying in prayer, the meaning and intent of what I was saying. After starting to do that, prayer took on a a different meaning and value to me. It becamae alive and no longer an expectation of what we are expected to do as Christian. I look forward nw to each encounter I have with prayer. I is no longer an expected chore, but an opportunity I have to be addressing God in a meaningful dialog. It became a chance to learn and grow.

Prayer is not the chance to just list demands and needs, but should be that chance to experience a dialog with God. it should be a chance to grow and to realize that we are imperfect and by that dialog learning to improve our relationship with Him. As we improve in our relationship, we will find some of things that hinder us actually fall away, or become less bothersome.

Let your chance to pray be an experience that is one of joy, not just sadness, one of gratitude instead of complaint. If you do that in what Saint John tells us, you will find your outlook as a Christian start to change and that will be for the better not only for you, but in how others see you in Christan life. remember as we experience the Christian life and grow on it as true followers of the Light of the world, we also shine as that example to those offering to them the alternative of the Heavenly realm and the joy that it brings now and in the life to come.

This is my humble offering.

In IC XC,
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#216614 - 12/11/06 12:43 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Father Anthony]
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The soul has followed Moses and the cloud, both of these serving
as guides for those who would advance in virtue; Moses here
represents the commandments of the Law; and the cloud that leads
the way, its spiritual meaning. The soul has been purified by
crossing the Sea; it has removed from itself and destroyed the
enemy army. It has tasted of the waters of Marah, that is, of life
deprived of all sinful pleasure; and this at first had seemed
bitter and unpleasant to the taste but offered a sensation of
sweetness to those who accepted the wood. Next it enjoyed the
beauty of the palm trees of the gospel and the springs; it filled
itself with the living water, that is, the rock. It took within
itself the bread of heaven. It overwhelmed the foreign host - a
victory due to the extended arms of the Lawgiver, which thus
foreshadowed the mystery of the Cross. Only then can the soul go
on to the contemplation of transcendent Being.

St. Gregory of Nyssa


Alexandr


Edited by Slavipodvizhnik (12/11/06 12:44 PM)

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#216743 - 12/12/06 09:29 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Where humility is combined with the remembrance of God that is established through watchfulness and attention, and also with recurrent prayer inflexible in its resistance to the enemy, there is the place of God, the heaven of the heart in which because of God's presence no demonic army dares to make a stand."

St. Philotheos of Sinai


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#216839 - 12/13/06 10:31 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"To master the mundane will of the fallen self you have to fulfill three conditions. First, you have to overcome avarice by embracing the law of righteousness, which consists in merciful compassion for one's fellow beings; second, you have to conquer self-indulgence through prudent self-restraint, that is to say, through all-inclusive self-control; and, third, you have to prevail over your love of praise through sagacity and sound understanding, in other words through exact discrimination in things human and divine, trampling such love underfoot as something cloddish and worthless. All this you have to do until the mundane will is converted into the law of the spirit of life and liberated from domination by the law of the outer fallen self. Then you can say, 'I thank God that the law of the spirit of life has freed me from the law and dominion of death' (cf. Rom. 8:2)."

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#216842 - 12/13/06 10:56 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Alexandr,

Once again thanks for these gems!

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#216930 - 12/14/06 07:35 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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At the Last Judgment the righteous will be recognized only by
their humility and their considering themselves worthless, and not
by good deeds, even if they have done them. This is the true
attitude.

Holy New Hieromartyr Barlaam

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#217008 - 12/15/06 08:18 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Why Should We Read the Desert Fathers?

Conversation and association with ones neighbors very much affects a person. Conversation and acquaintance with a learned man communicates much knowledge; with a poet, many exalted thoughts and feelings; with a traveller, much information about countries, about the characters and customs of peoples. It is obvious that conversation and acquaintance with the saints communicates holiness. "With the holy man wilt thou be holy, and with the innocent man wilt thou be innocent. And with the elect man wilt thou be elect" (Psalms 17:25-26).

From henceforth, during the time of this short earthly life, which Scripture has not even called "life," but rather "journeying," let us become acquainted with the saints. Do you want to belong to their society in heaven, do you want to be a partaker of their blessedness? From henceforth enter into association with them. When you go forth from the house of the body, then they will receive you to themselves as their own acquaintance, as their own friend (Luke 16:9).

There is no closer acquaintance, there is no tighter bond, than the bond of oneness of thoughts, oneness of feelings, oneness of goal (1 Corinthians 1:10).

Where there is oneness of thoughts, there without fail is oneness of soul, there without fail is one goal, an identical success in the attaining of ones goal.

Appropriate to yourself the thoughts and the spirit of the Holy Fathers by reading their writings. The Holy Fathers attained the goal: salvation. And you will attain this goal by the natural course of things. As one who is of one thought and one soul with the Holy Fathers, you will be saved.

Heaven received into its blessed bosom the Holy Fathers. By this it has borne witness that the thoughts, feelings, and actions of the Holy Fathers are well-pleasing to it. The Holy Fathers set forth their thoughts, their heart, the image of their activity in their writings. This means: what a true guidance to heaven, which is borne witness to by heaven itself, are the writings of the Fathers.

The writings of the Holy Fathers are all composed by the inspiration or under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Wondrous is the agreement among them, wondrous is the anointing! One who is guided by them has without any doubt whatsoever the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

All the waters of the earth flow together into the ocean, and it may be that the ocean serves as the beginning of all the waters of the earth. The writings of the fathers are all united in the Gospel; they all incline towards teaching us the exact fulfilment of the commandments of our Lord Jesus Christ; of all of them both the source and the end is the holy Gospel.

The Holy Fathers teach how to approach the Gospel, how to read it, how to understand it correctly, what helps and what hinders in comprehending it. And therefore in the beginning occupy yourself with the reading of the Fathers. When they have taught you how to read the Gospel, then read the Gospel primarily.

Do not consider it sufficient for yourself to read the Gospel alone, without the reading of the Holy Fathers! This is a proud, dangerous thought. Better, let the Holy Fathers lead you to the Gospel, as their beloved child who has received his preparatory upbringing and education by means of their writings.

Many people, all who have senselessly and presumptuously rejected the Holy Fathers, who have come without any intermediary, with a blind audacity, with an impure mind and heart to the Gospel, have fallen into fatal delusion. The Gospel has rejected them; it grants access to itself only to the humble.

The reading of the Fathers writings is the father and the king of all virtues. From the reading of the Fathers writings we learn the true understanding of Holy Scripture, right faith, the way of life in accord with the Gospels commandments, the deep esteem which one should have toward the Gospel commandments to say it in a word, one learns salvation and Christian perfection.

Because of the diminishing of Spirit-bearing instructors, the reading of the Fathers writings has become the main guide for those who wish to be saved and even attain Christian perfection. (Rule of St. Nil Sorsky)

The books of the Holy Fathers, as one of them has expressed it, are like a mirror; looking into them attentively and frequently, a soul can see all of its shortcomings.

Again, these books are like a rich collection of medicinal means; in them the soul can seek for each of its illnesses a saving remedy.

St. Ephphanius of Cyprus said, "A mere glance at holy books arouses one towards the pious life." (Alphabetic Patericon)

The reading of the Holy Fathers should be careful, attentive, and constant; our invisible enemy, who hates the voice of confirmation (Proverbs 11:15), hates especially when this voice comes forth from the Holy Fathers. This voice unmasks the wiles of our enemy, his evilness, reveals his snares, his way of working; and therefore the enemy arms himself against the reading of the Fathers by various proud and blasphemous thoughts, tries to cause the ascetic to fall into vain cares in order to distract him from this saving reading, fights with him by means of despondency, depression, forgetfulness. From this warfare against the reading of the Holy Fathers we should conclude how saving (is) the weaponry for us, by the degree to which it is hated by the enemy. The enemy makes all efforts to wrest it out of our hands.

Let each personally choose for himself the reading from the Fathers which corresponds to his way of life. Let the hermit read the Fathers who wrote about the solitary life; let the monk who lives in the cenobitic life read the Fathers who wrote instructions for cenobitic monks; let the Christian who lives in the world read the Holy Fathers who pronounced their teachings for all Christianity in general. Let everyone, in whatsoever calling he be, draw forth abundant instruction in the writings of the Fathers.

It is absolutely necessary that the reading correspond to ones way of life. Otherwise you will be filled with thoughts which, although holy, will be unfulfillable in the actual deed and will arouse you to fruitless activity in only the imagination and desire; the work of piety which does correspond to your way of life will slip out of your hands. Not only will you become a fruitless dreamer your thoughts, being in constant opposition to your sphere of activity, will without fail give birth to turmoil in your heart, and to uncertainty in your conduct, which are burdensome and harmful for you and for your neighbors. By an incorrect reading of Holy Scripture and the Holy Fathers, one can easily deviate from the saving path into impassable thickets and deep abysses, which has happened with many. Amen.

St.Bishop Ignatius Brianchaninov

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#217070 - 12/16/06 05:19 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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... Our distresses are notorious, even though we leave them untold, for now their sound has gone out into all the world. The doctrines of the Fathers are despised; apostolic traditions are set at nought; the devices of innovators are in vogue in the Churches; now men are rather contrivers of cunning systems than theologians; the wisdom of this world wins the highest prizes and has rejected the glory of the cross. Shepherds are banished, and in their places are introduced grievous wolves hurrying the flock of Christ. Houses of prayer have none to assemble in them; desert places are full of lamenting crowds. The elders lament when they compare the present with the past. The younger are yet more to be compassionated, for they do not know of what they have been deprived. All this is enough to stir the pity of men who have learnt the love of Christ; but, compared with the actual state of things, words fall very far short...

Saint Basil the Great
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#217075 - 12/16/06 05:49 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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GODLINESS: TO KEEP WHAT IS GOD'S IN HONOR

(From a sermon delivered at a priests' conference at Holy Trinity Monastery, Jordanville, New York, in 1966; Orthodox Russia, 1966, no. 19, p. 8)

What to do? With such a question I appealed in 1921 to an Optina Elder.... After going through the frightful revolutionary years of 1917, 1918, and 1919, when everything was collapsing and being destroyed, I came to a state which was simply pathological: why fight when everything is coming to an end? My outlook was transmitted to my close ones. The Revolution, the chaos as it were, confirmed my words for those around me.

I became a priest, but the conditions of my soul remained the same. And thus it was that I went to Optina to the Elder with the question: What to do?

The most important thing the Elder [Nectarius] told me was this: "The Church of Christ goes as it were on a railroad track. The path of the rails is known, it is defined, but you and I must pay attention to what happens in the coach which is on the rails. In the coach occurs the personal life of a man. A man goes in and out of the coach, and there will be an end to the rails, but the end of each person is separate: one leaves the coach earlier, another later, and here it is that Christian godliness is necessary.

"The dogmas of faith, faith itself is revealed to us, and none of us doubts it; but the confession of faith must be in godliness. 'No one is good save God alone'this is to hold what is God's in honor. It is the Divine that must be our concern; it must enter into all sides of our lifepersonal, family, public. Godliness is disclosed to us by the daily Divine services. At the daily Midnight Service is read the 17th Kathisma, which is a disclosure of God's righteousness by the Prophet David to his son Solomon. And the Church offers the 17th Kathisma in order to reveal our inward being. One of the methods for godliness is given by the Holy Church in a spiritual exercise which trains our mind to the remembrance of the Name of God'Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us.' Monastics are given a prayer-rope, but for a priest in the world the prayerful remembrance of his spiritual children can serve for training in the remembrance of the Name of God."

And so: What to do? The Elder said: "Live in such away that what is God's will be in honor; and the first, the chief thing is your mind, which must be in God."

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#217085 - 12/16/06 09:12 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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... Our distresses are notorious, even though we leave them untold, for now their sound has gone out into all the world. The doctrines of the Fathers are despised; apostolic traditions are set at nought; the devices of innovators are in vogue in the Churches; now men are rather contrivers of cunning systems than theologians; the wisdom of this world wins the highest prizes and has rejected the glory of the cross. Shepherds are banished, and in their places are introduced grievous wolves hurrying the flock of Christ. Houses of prayer have none to assemble in them; desert places are full of lamenting crowds. The elders lament when they compare the present with the past. The younger are yet more to be compassionated, for they do not know of what they have been deprived. All this is enough to stir the pity of men who have learnt the love of Christ; but, compared with the actual state of things, words fall very far short...

Saint Basil the Great
(Letter 90)

How fitting are these words of a great saint and father of the Church, and how they seem to reflect the situation of what is happening today. It almost is worthwhile to break it down line by line and carefully examine it. For each could produce a contemporary reflection on its own merit as to the situations that dare to rob of us our patrimony and faith in the Church today.

Saint Basil the Great if you notice does not address society for that is of the world, but rather is addressing the church. He addresses a sickness that seems to infect the church periodically and has to be cured. He gives us all the warning signs, signs that we have been seeing and having pointed out more and more in recent days. If you are unaware then you must be hiding your head in the sand, for it is all around us. Men who tell us tradition and faith that have been handed down to us no longer counts. Innovation that usurps the role of the Church and its proper teachings, introduction of things that diminish God and His role in our lives. All of this in the name of pride, for that is what it is when the connive and plot on how to exalt themselves as to knowing more than the fathers of the Church and all that has been handed down to us. Intellectual wisdom does not bring us salvation but true spiritual wisdom that can be imparted only from the Christ and His Holy Church inviolate.

We constantly hear and read the lamentations of what was and how it used to be, and yet we are constantly told to leave that behind and instead look forward. As we do so our numbers diminish as those that are behind us fall away because we ignore the need to feed them with the bread of Life that we leave behind in our vision to go forward no matter what the cost, yet we too will be one of those soon enough falling behind and being lost and spiritually starved. Yet we seem to be blinded by this pride and spiritual ignorance. We think we know better and are better than God, and that pride and deceit will be our destruction yet.

Our Lord gives us some simple descriptions of Himself and His role in our salvation. In Saint Johns gospel (6:35) our Lord gives us these simple words, I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst. Words that we seemingly ignore in regards to where our sustenance is to be found spiritually. He also tells us in the same gospel (14:6-7), I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also; henceforth you know him and have seen him. Amazing words and directions, words that we should be asking of those that want us to turn and look only forward. Are we being truly fed by Christ or are we being starved into spiritual oblivion? Are we being taught the way, the truth and that which will bring us life or are we being slowly blinded by leaving the tradition and all we have inherited behind? These are very direct questions, but ones that are essential and fitting with the words of Saint Basil the Great.

The time is now to reclaim what is rightfully ours, our faith, our traditions and our patrimony. Many wolves are out there that seek to destroy us and spread their pernicious lies. Many lament and know exactly why we have lost many of our faithful, and yet are blinded by their own pride and deceit. The time is to wake up and demand what has been stolen from us. If we do that, they will cower and submit. Their pride will be wounded but eventually their eyes will be opened.

Saint Basil the Greats words are one of warning, but also words of rallying. We can both accept the words of warning and do nothing to our own condemnation, or we can rally around the Church and all of its fullness that will lead us to the way, and the truth, and the life in Christ. The choice is yours, but I know which way I will try to lead to that which Saint Basil wants us calls us to, the Church of Christ in its fullness and tradition.

Just my humble reflection on the words of this great saint.

In IC XC,
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#217091 - 12/16/06 09:52 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Father Anthony]
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Father Anthony:

Asking your blessing during this holy season.

I can't agree with you more. In fact, I didn't look to see who the author was until I had read the piece. At first I thought it might be something contemporary and out of place here.

Guess the more things change, the more they stay the same.

BTW, how are you doing?

Keeping your recovery in my prayers,

BOB

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#217143 - 12/17/06 09:36 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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First of all it must be understood that it is the duty of all
Christians - especially of those whose calling dedicates them to
the spiritual life - to strive always and in every way to be
united with God, their creator, lover, benefactor, and their
supreme good, by Whom and for Whom they were created. This is
because the center and the final purpose of the soul, which God
created, must be God Himself alone, and nothing else - God whom
Whom the soul has received its life and its nature, and for Whom
it must eternally live.

St. Dimitry of Rostov

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#217184 - 12/18/06 10:13 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Therefore let us leave untouched the senseless speculations of the masses and the false doctrines, and turn to the teaching delivered to us in the beginning, let us be temperate and ready for our prayers, persevere in fasting, and fervently implore the All-seeing God not to expose us to temptations, since the Lord has said: 'The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.'

St. Polycarp, Epistle to the Philippians.

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#217417 - 12/19/06 10:55 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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According to the text, `We are the body of Christ and each of us is one of its members' (cf. 1 Cor. 12:27), we are said to be the body of Christ. We do not become this body through the loss of our own bodies; nor again because Christ's Body passes into us hypostatically or is divided into members; but rather because we conform to the likeness of the Lord's flesh by shaking off the corruption of sin. For just as Christ in His manhood was sinless by nature both in flesh and in soul, so we too who believe in Him, and have clothed ourselves in Him through the Spirit, can be without sin to Him if we so choose.

St. Maximus the Confessor, Second Century on Theology, Philokalia, V. 2

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#217458 - 12/20/06 03:20 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Charity, it is said, `rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth.' It often happens to us to see the unrighteous, sinful doings of men, or to hear of them, and we have a sinful habit of rejoicing at such doings, and of shamelessly expressing our joy by foolish laughter. This is wrong, unchristian, uncharitable and impious. It shows that we have not Christian love for our neighbor in our hearts: for charity `rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth .' Let us therefore, cease doing this so that we may not be condemned with the workers of iniquity.


St. John of Kronstadt, My Life in Christ.

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#217459 - 12/20/06 03:51 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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[Charity] rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth. (1 Corinthians 13:6 KJV)

These selections from the Church Fathers are wonderful.

Thank you, Alexandr!

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#217548 - 12/21/06 03:56 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Administrator]
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...we ought to learn the virtues through practicing them, not merely through talking about them, so that by acquiring the habit of them we do not forget what is of benefit to us. 'The kingdom of God', St. Paul says, 'resides not in words but in power' (I Cor. 4:20). For he who tries to discover things through actual practice will come to understand what gain or loss lies in any activity that he pursues..."

St. Peter of Damaskos (Book 1:A Treasury of Divine Knowledge, The Philokalia Vol. 3 pg. 183)

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#217625 - 12/22/06 09:56 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Adam, before the fall ... participated in ... divine illumination and resplendence, and because he was truly clothed in a garment of glory he was not naked, nor was he unseemly by reason of his nakedness. He was far more richly adorned than those who now deck themselves out with diadems of gold and brightly sparkling jewels.
St. Paul calls this divine illumination and grace our celestial dwelling when he says, 'For this we sigh, yearning to be clothed in our heavenly habitation, since clothed we will not be found naked' (2 Cor. 5:2).

St. Gregory Palamas (Topics of Natural and Theological Science no. 67, The Philokalia Vol. 4 edited by Palmer, Sherrard and Ware; Faber and Faber pg. 377)

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#217635 - 12/22/06 11:39 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Is there a quote of the day that you're getting these from Alexandr, or do you just find ones that you like and post them?

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#217645 - 12/23/06 04:15 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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I reach over and pick up a book at random, let it fall open, and type whatever my eyes come to rest on. I have yet to not have something jump out at me that has a correlation to whatever is occuring in my life. Or else I'll be researching something else on the web, and a patristic quote will jump out at me. There really is no rationale on my part. I leave it in God's hands.

Alexandr

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#217666 - 12/23/06 02:28 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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The perfection of the Christian life -- and I mean that life which is the only one the name of Christ is used to designate -- is that in which we participate not only by our mind and soul but in all the actions of our lives, so that our holiness may be complete, in accordance with the blessing pronounced by Paul, in our 'whole body and soul and spirit' (I Thess. 5:23), constantly guarded from all admixture with evil.

St. Gregory of Nyssa, From Glory to Glory


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#217711 - 12/24/06 12:48 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Virtues and vices are the food of the soul and it can feed on either one, turning to whichever one it wants. If it is bent toward moral excellence, it will be fed by virtue - by righteousness, temperance, meekness, endurance. In other words, it is just as St. Paul says, 'being nourished by the word of truth' (1 Tim. 4:6).


St. Ignatius of Antioch

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#217746 - 12/24/06 07:47 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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[to a sick monk] Concerning fasting, do not grieve, as I have said to you before: God does not demand of anyone labors beyond his strength. And indeed, what is fasting if not a punishment of the body in order to humble a healthy body and make it infirm for passions, according to the word of the Apostle: "When I am weak, then am I strong" (II Corinthians 12:10).

"Saints Barsanuphius and John: Guidance Toward Spiritual Life," trans. by Fr. Seraphim Rose, (Platina, California: St. Herman of Alaska Brotherhood, 1990)

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#217752 - 12/24/06 09:15 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Alexandr:

On meditating with these gems of the spiritual life, it strikes me that one of the Desert Fathers was right when he looked at himself on his deathbed and wondered if he had even begun to live the Christian life. It isn't a despairing look. It's a terrifically humbling experience to see how the Holy Spirit has perfected our Fathers and to understand how far we have to go. But knowing that the Lord loves us and gives us these spiritually nourishing words is encouragement since it shows us that we, too, can attain to levels that we cannot on our own imagine--yet with His help and His grace none of these levels of holiness is impossible.

Glory be to Jesus Christ!! Glory to Him forever and ever!!!

May your efforts to edify us, your brothers and sisters, be rewarded in the Kingdom and may you have a blessing for your efforts now, too.

In Christ,

BOB


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#217811 - 12/26/06 12:21 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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For to despise the present age, not to love transitory things, unreservedly to stretch out the mind in humility to God and our neighbor, to preserve patience against offered insults and, with patience guarded, to repel the pain of malice from the heart, to give one's property to the poor, not to covet that of others, to esteem the friend in God, on God's account to love even those who are hostile, to mourn at the affliction of a neighbor, not to exult in the death of one who is an enemy, this is the new creature whom the Master of the nations seeks with watchful eye amid the other disciples, saying: "If, then, any be in Christ a new creature, the old things are passed away. Behold all things are made new" (2Cor. 5:17).

The Homilies of St. Gregory the Great On the Book of the Prophet Ezekiel

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#217824 - 12/26/06 08:08 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Seek God daily. But seek Him in your heart, not outside it. And when you find Him, stand with fear and trembling, like the Cherubim and Seraphim, for your heart has become a throne of God. But in order to find God, become humble as dust before the Lord, for the Lord abhors the proud; whereas He visits those that are humble in heart, wherefore He says: To whom will I look, but to the one who is meek and humble in heart?

St. Nectarius of Aegina


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#217979 - 12/27/06 09:01 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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We must not artificially isolate ourselves from the reality of todays world; rather, we must learn to use the best things the world has to offer, for everything good in the worldif we are only wise enough to see itpoints to God, and we must make use of it. Too many people make the mistake of limiting Orthodoxy to church services, set prayers, and the occasional reading of a spiritual book. True Orthodoxy, however, requires a commitment that involves every aspect of our lives. One is Orthodox all the time every day, in every situation of lifeor one is not really Orthodox at all. For this reason we must develop an Orthodox worldview and live it.

"Living an Orthodox World-View", a lecture given at the St Herman Summer Pilgrimage, Platina, CA, August 1980; Orthodox America, Aug.-Sept. 1982.

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#218092 - 12/28/06 11:24 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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And this is love, that we walk after His commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it." Divine Truth is contained and found in the commandments of the Gospel. Divine love gives us will, strength, and perseverance for we walk after the [divine] commandments, for we walk after His commandments in them and with them. Our love -- as much towards the Lord Christ as towards men -- consists of living according to the commandments of Christ. For at the end, everything comes back to this double commandment: the commandment of love of God and one's neighbor. This is why the holy Evangelist recalls all the commandments to a single one: This is the commandment, That ... you walk in it [love]. We now know that the entire Gospel of Christ is contained in the single commandment on love: he who lives in love lives in Christ God. Thus, he who fulfills the Gospel of God is deserving of heaven and earth.

Commentary on the Second Epistle of St. John by St. Archimandrite Justin Popovich, in Orthodox Life, #5, 1994

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And [Naaman] dipped himself . . . seven times in the Jordan' [2 Kgs. 5:14]. It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as new-born babes, even as the Lord has declared: `Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven'"

St. Irenaeus of Lyons (190 AD), Fragment 34

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#218183 - 12/30/06 12:05 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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The Russian ascetic, Father Tychon, who lived sixty years on Mt.
Athos after he had visited three hundred monasteries in Russian, said,
"God blesses with one hand in the morning the entire world, and uses
both hands to bless the humble man. A humble person is above the whole
world."

from an Athonite Gerontikon

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#218253 - 12/30/06 10:15 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Naaman, the commander of the Syrian army, came to Elisha with many gifts. And what did the prophet do? Did he go out to meet him? Did he run towards him? No, he sent a lad to find out why Naaman had come, and did not even admit him to his presence. This was to prevent anyone thinking that he had cured Naaman in return for the gifts that he brought (cf. 2King 5:8-16). This story, without teaching us to be arrogant, shows us that we should not flatter, because of our needs, those who value highly the very things it is our vocation to despise.

St. Neilos the Ascetic, Philokalia, Vol. 1

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#218278 - 12/31/06 12:52 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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And the second commandment of the Teaching; 2. Thou shalt not commit murder, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not commit paederasty, thou shalt not commit fornication, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not practise magic, thou shalt not practise witchcraft, thou shalt not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is begotten."

Ante-Nicene Fathers: Volume VII, Apostolic Teachings and Constitutions, Chapter II. -The Second Commandment: Gross Sin Forbidden.)

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#218411 - 01/01/07 11:40 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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In two things then was Abraham victorious: that he killed his son although he did not kill him and that he believed that after Isaac died he would be raised up again and would go back down with him. For Abraham was firmly convinced that He Who said to him, 'through Isaac shall your descendants be named,' was not lying.

St. Ephrem the Syrian, Commentary on Genesis

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#218485 - 01/02/07 08:12 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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As long as the flesh is in full health, let us observe abstinence at all times and in every place. When it has been tamed (which I do not suppose is possible this side of the grave), then let us hide our accomplishment.

St. John Climacus, "The Ladder of Divine Ascent,
STEP 14: On That Clamorous Mistress, the Stomach

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#218560 - 01/03/07 05:14 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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If you have promised Christ to go by the strait and narrow way, restrain your stomach, because by pleasing it and enlarging it, you break your contract. Attend and you will hear Him who says: "Spacious and broad is the way of the belly that leads to the perdition of fornication, and many there are who go in by it; because narrow is the gate and strait is the way of fasting that leads to the life of purity, and few there be that find it.

St. John Climacus, "The Ladder of Divine Ascent,
STEP 14: On That Clamorous Mistress, the Stomach

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#218597 - 01/03/07 11:00 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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If you have promised Christ to go by the strait and narrow way, restrain your stomach, because by pleasing it and enlarging it, you break your contract. Attend and you will hear Him who says: "Spacious and broad is the way of the belly that leads to the perdition of fornication, and many there are who go in by it; because narrow is the gate and strait is the way of fasting that leads to the life of purity, and few there be that find it.

St. John Climacus, "The Ladder of Divine Ascent,
STEP 14: On That Clamorous Mistress, the Stomach


eek

My belly is getting spacious and broad, I guess I'd better pay more attention to my fasting.

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#218698 - 01/04/07 07:25 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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As the Feast of the Nativity draws near, my thoughts increasingly turn towards food, so here is another "Stomach" quote. I promise, last one! smile



On one occasion, a certain excellent man, who feared God in his life and works, and who was living in the world, went to Abba Poemen. Some of the brethren, who were also with the old man, were asking him questions, wishing to hear a word from him.

Then Abba Poemen said to the man who was in the world, "Speak a word to the brethren," but he begged him saying, "Forgive me, father, but I came to learn." And the old man pressed him to speak and, as the force of his urging increased, he said, "I am a man living in the world, and I sell vegetables, and because I do not know how to speak from a book, listen ye to a parable.

"There was a certain man who had three friends, and he said to the first, 'Since I desire to see the Emperor come with me,' and the friend said unto him, 'I will come with thee half the way.' And the man said to the second friend, 'Come, go with me to the Emperor's presence,' and the friend said to him, 'I will come with thee as far as his palace, but I cannot go with thee inside.'

"And the man said the same unto his third friend, who answered and said, 'I will come with thee, and I will go inside the palace with thee, and I will even stand up before the Emperor and speak on thy behalf.'"

Then the brethren questioned him, wishing to learn from him the meaning of the riddle, and he answered and said unto them, "The first friend is abstinence, which leadeth as far as one half of the way. The second friend is purity and holiness, which lead to heaven. And the third friend is loving-kindness, which establishes a man before God and speaketh on his behalf with great boldness.

E. A. Wallis Budge, "The Paradise of the Holy Fathers, vol. II, p. 102

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#218727 - 01/04/07 11:13 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Then the brethren questioned him, wishing to learn from him the meaning of the riddle, and he answered and said unto them, "The first friend is abstinence, which leadeth as far as one half of the way. The second friend is purity and holiness, which lead to heaven. And the third friend is loving-kindness, which establishes a man before God and speaketh on his behalf with great boldness.


Abstinence from what?

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#218731 - 01/04/07 11:23 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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Then the brethren questioned him, wishing to learn from him the meaning of the riddle, and he answered and said unto them, "The first friend is abstinence, which leadeth as far as one half of the way. The second friend is purity and holiness, which lead to heaven. And the third friend is loving-kindness, which establishes a man before God and speaketh on his behalf with great boldness.


Abstinence from what?

Dr Eric,

Try food, or anything else that can be considered worldly. What is being pointed out is quite obvious, we no longer take what is needed to sustain ourselves, but rather overindulge to the point that we we focus on our own desires instead of what is necessary to achieve salvation. All you have to do is look TV or any other thing that is media oriented and it should be quite obvious.

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#218800 - 01/05/07 03:07 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Father Anthony]
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Amma Theodora said, "It is good to live in peace, for the wise man practices perpetual prayer. It is truly a great thing for a virgin or a monk to live in peace, especially for the younger ones. However, you should realize that as soon as you intend to live in peace, at once evil comes and weighs down your soul through accidie, faintheartedness, and evil thoughts. It also attacks your body through sickness, debility, weakening of the knees, and all the members. It dissipates the strength of soul and body, so that one believes one is ill and no longer able to pray. But if we are vigilant, all these temptations fall away. There was, in fact a monk who was seized by cold and fever every time he began to pray, and he suffered from headaches, too. In this condition, he said to himself, 'I am ill, and near to death; so now I will get up before I die and pray.' By reasoning in this way, he did violence to himself and prayed, When he had finished, the fever abated also. So, by reasoning in this way, the brother resisted, and prayed and was able to conquer his thoughts.



Sr. Benedicta Ward, "The Desert Christian," (New York: MacMillan Publishing Company, 1975), pp. 83-84

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#218943 - 01/07/07 01:52 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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... He comes not as a fierce man of war, threatening all things living with death, but as a newly born babe, bringing the hope of rebirth and life into the entire realm of death; He comes--but the land of destruction does not meet, does not embrace, does not praise, does not even see its Saviour, and does not hear the Word of God keeping silence in a manger. Virtually in vain does the glory which Jesus Christ had with God the Father before the world was (John 17:5) on the lips of the angels, follow Him descending into the world and pursuing Him, attain even unto the earth.

Metropolitan Philaret of Moscow

... The incorporeal and incorruptible and immaterial Word of God entered our world. In one sense, indeed, He was not far From it before, for no part of creation had ever been without Him Who, while ever abiding in union with the Father, yet fills all things that are. But now He entered the world in a new way, stooping to our level in His love and Self-revealing to us.

St. Athanasius the Great

... Today the Lord is born, the life and salvation of mankind; today a reconciliation is made of Divinity to humanity, and of humanity to Divinity; today all creation has leapt for joy; those above sent toward those below; and those below towards those above; today occurred the death of darkness and the life of humanity; today a way was made toward God for man and a way for God into the soul.

St. Macarius the Great

...He comes not as a fierce man of war, threatening all things living with death, but as a newly born babe, bringing the hope of rebirth and life into the entire realm of death; He comes--but the land of destruction does not meet, does not embrace, does not praise, does not even see its Saviour, and does not hear the Word of God keeping silence in a manger. Virtually in vain does the glory which Jesus Christ had with God the Father before the world was (John 17:5) on the lips of the angels, follow Him descending into the world and pursuing Him, attain even unto the earth."

Metropolitan Philaret of Moscow

He became a servant on earth; He was Lord on high. Inheritor of the height and depth, Who became a stranger. But the One Who was judged wrongly will judge in truth, and He in Whose face they spat, breathed the spirit into the face. He Who held a weak reed was the scepter for the world that grows old and leans on Him. He Who stood [and] served His servants, sitting, will be worshipped. He Whom the Scribes scorned -- the Seraphim sang "holy" before Him.

St. Ephraim the Syrian, Hymns on the Nativity

He who sits at the right hand of the Father goes without shelter at the inn, that He may for us prepare many mansions in the house of His heavenly Father ... He was born, not in the house of His parents, but at the inn, by the wayside, because through the mystery of the Incarnation He is become the Way, by which He guides us to our home .

Venerable Bede

Jesus Christ, radiant center of glory, image of our God, the invisible Father, revealer of His eternal designs, prince of peace; Father of the world to come. For our sake he took the likeness of a slave, becoming flesh in the womb of the Virgin Mary, for our sake, wrapped in swaddling bands and laid in a manger adored by the shepherds and hymned by the angelic powers, who sang: Glory to God in the heavens and on earth peace and good to men. Make us worthy, Lord, to celebrate and to conclude in peace the feast which magnifies the rising of Thy light, by avoiding empty words, working with justice, fleeing from the passions, and raising up the spirit above earthly goods. Bless Thy Church, formed long ago to be united with Thou through Thy life-giving blood. Come to the aid of Thy faithful shepherds, of the priests and the teachers of the Gospel. Bless Thy faithful whose only hope is in Thy mercy; Christian souls, the sick, those who are tormented in spirit, and those who have asked us to pray for them. Have pity, in Thy infinite clemency, and preserve us in fitness to receive the future, endless, good things. We celebrate Thy glorious Nativity with the Father who sent thee for our redemption, with the life-giving Spirit, now and for ever and through all ages. Amen

an ancient Syriac liturgy

Joseph was amazed as he saw what was supernatural. He understood, O Virgin, the rain upon the fleece In thy conception without seed. And he understood the bush that burned without fire and was unconsumed, And Aaron's rod, which blossomed. Indeed, thy betrothed and guardian cried out to the priests: "A virgin gives birth, and after the birth remains a virgin.

The Kontakia of Romanos, Vol. II, On the Annunciation II

Melchizadek anticipated Him; he the vicar was watching to see priesthood's Lord Whose hyssop cleanses creation. Lot saw the Sodomites who perverted nature; he looked for the Lord of natures Who gave chastity beyond nature. Aaron anticipated Him - he who saw that if his staff swallowed reptiles,

His cross would swallow the Reptile that swallowed Adam and Eve. Moses saw the fixed serpent that healed the stings of basilisks, and he anticipated he would see the Healer of the first Serpent's wound.

Moses saw the he alone received the brightness of God, and he anticipated the One to come - by His teaching, the Multiplier of the godlike.

St. Ephrem the Syrian, Hymns (On the Nativity.)

Nets and snares were fashioned, then, For the young fawn of the Virgin and Mother of God, But the trap was broken and the fawn escaped, tearing the snare.

With His mother, like a blameless deer, He fled Into Egypt, as Micah once said. O Thou Who art everywhere and Who rulest over all, where dost Thou flee?

Where dost Thou lead? In what city Shalt Thou make Thy dwelling? What house will contain Thee, what place will support Thee? No part of creation anywhere is invisible to Thy sight, But all things are laid bare to Thee, Thou art the Maker of All, O Christ. Why, then, dost Thou flee, Holy One? Because of Thee, Herod mourns as he weeps That his power will soon be destroyed.

St Romanos the Melodist - On the Massacre of the Innocents (Flight into Egypt).

The Firstborn, Who was begotten according to His nature, underwent yet another birth outside His nature, so that we too would understand that after our natural birth, we must undergo another (birth) outside our nature. As a spiritual being, He was unable to become physical until the time of physical birth. And so too physical beings, unless they undergo another birth, cannot become spiritual. The Son, Whose birth is beyond investigation, underwent another birth which can be investigated. So, by the one we learn that His majesty is limitless, and by the other we realize that His goodness is boundless. For His majesty increases without bounds, Whose first birth cannot be imagined by any mind, and His goodness overflows without limit, Whose other birth is proclaimed by every mouth.

St. Ephrem the Syrian, Homily on Our Lord

The Virgin today gives birth to the superessential One, And the earth proffers the cave to the unapproachable One. Angels with the shepherds sing song of praise; The Magi, with the star to guide pursue their way. For us there has been born, A newborn babe, the God before time.

Romanos the Melodist(Kontakia on the Person of Christ: On the Nativity I)

The purpose of the advent of the Saviour, when He gave us His life-giving commandments as purifying remedies in our passionate state, was to cleanse the soul from the damage done by the first transgression and bring it back to its original state. What medicines are for a sick body, that the commandments are for the passionate soul.

St. Isaac of Syria

The vine which produced the unfertilized fruit carried It as though in the encircling arms of the branches, and said: 'Thou, my fruit, my life, By Whom I am known as I am and was. Thou art my God. As I behold the seal of my virginity unbroken, I proclaim Thee the immutable Word become flesh. I know no seed; I know Thee as one who delivers from corruption; For I am pure after having Thee as issue from me; For Thou hast left my womb as Thou hast found it; Thou hast kept it safe. For this reason the whole creation rejoices with me, crying: Mary, full of grace.'

The Kontakia of Romanos, On the Nativity II

Think not, therefore, it is of small things thou art hearing, when thou hearest of this birth, but rouse up thy mind, and straightway tremble, being told that God hath come upon earth. For so marvellous was this, and beyond expectation, that because of these things the very angels formed a choir, and in behalf of the world offered up their praise for them, and the prophets from the first were amazed at this, that "He was seen upon earth, and conversed with men(7)." Yea, for it is far beyond all thought to hear that God the Unspeakable, (8) the Unutterable, the Incomprehensible, and He that is equal to the Father, hath passed through a virgin's womb, and hath vouchsafed to be born of a woman, and to have Abraham and David for forefathers.

St John Chrysostom, Gospel According To St. Matthew, Homily 2

Now the day of mercy has shown forth! Let no one persecute his neighbor with revenge for the wrong he has caused him! The day of joy has arrived! Let no one be guilty of causing sorrow and grief to another person. This is a cloudless and bright day!

"Let anger be stilled for it disturbs peace and tranquility. This is the day in which God descended to sinners! Let the righteous man be ashamed to exalt himself over sinners. This is the day when the Lord of creation came to servants! Let the master of the house humble himself in similar love to his servants. This is the day on which the Wealthy One became poor for our sake! Let not the rich be ashamed to share their table with the poor.

St. Ephrem the Syrian


A Blessed and Glorious Feast of the Nativity of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to one and all!

Alexandr

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#218959 - 01/07/07 11:36 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Wonderful words today Alexandr [ well it has also to be added - as usual smile ]

Each and every one of them strikes home

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#219068 - 01/08/07 06:28 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Our Lady's slave]
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"Good and God-loving men accuse people of something bad when they are present, but when they are absent they not only refrain from accusing them, but do not permit others to do so when they attempt to speak of them."

From St. Anthony the Great (170 Texts on Saintly Life no. 30) REF:Fr Seraphim Rose, "Letters"

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#219214 - 01/09/07 06:05 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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The man who endures accusations against himself with humility has arrived at perfection. He is marvelled at by the holy angels, for there is no other virtue so great and so hard to achieve.

St Isaac the Syrian

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#219475 - 01/11/07 05:33 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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God is nearer to us than any man at every time. He is nearer to me than my raiment, nearer than the air or light, nearer than my wife, father, mother, daughter, son or friend. I live in Him, soul and body. I breathe in Him, think in Him, feel, consider, intend, speak, undertake, work in Him. `For in Him we live, and move, and have our being' (Acts 17:28).

St. John of Kronstadt, My Life in Christ

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#219630 - 01/12/07 07:39 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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And when his eyes were opened, he saw nothing. And for three days he could not see.

By no means would he [Saul] have been able to see well again unless he had first been fully blinded. Also, when he had rejected his own wisdom, which was confusing him, he could commit himself totally to faith. Since he had not believed that the Lord had conquered death by rising on the third day, he was now taught by his own experience of the replacement of three days of darkness by the return of the light.

Commentary on the Acts of the Apostles from the Venerable Bede

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Adam, God's first-formed man, transgressed: could He[God] not at once have brought death upon him? But see what the Lord does, in His great love towards man. He casts him out from Paradise, for because of sin he was unworthy to live there; but He puts him to dwell over against Paradise: that seeing whence he had fallen, and from what and into what a state he was brought down, he might afterwards be saved by repentance.

St. Cyril of Jerusalem (Catechetical Lectures: Lecture 2 no. 7)

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#219814 - 01/14/07 10:34 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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God did not bless Adam in Paradise, because that place and all that is in it is blessed. But God blessed him on the earth first so that by that blessing without which His grace blessed beforehand, the curse of the earth, which was about to be cursed by His justice, might thus be diminished. But even though the blessing was one of promise, in that it was fulfilled after his expulsion from Paradise, His grace, nevertheless, was of actuality, for on that same day, God set Adam in the garden to dwell, clothed him with glory and made him ruler of all the trees of Paradise.

St. Ephrem the Syrian, Commentary on Genesis

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#219816 - 01/14/07 10:40 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Great stuff, keep 'em coming!

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#219908 - 01/15/07 07:29 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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Seek, my child, the nobility of the soul, for it is truth; that of the body is false. Do not seek honor from men, for this injures one; but rather, seek heavenly glory . . . . Thou art to be sympathetic with all the brethren and help them as much as possible; and, thou art to minister unto them that are unable or weak. Do not desire to live by another's labors . . . . Never ridicule anyone, and especially when they are in misfortune. When thou wilt hear that a certain brother is disorderly, supplicate God to correct his life. Visit and help the sick, and serve the brethren as their servant; so thou might be a friend of Christ Who, for thy sake, became a servant and minister. Always heed, my child, not to fall into temptations. However, if it happens that thou shouldst fall, straightway, rise up and amend thyself with repentance, and again hasten to prayer. In this manner, live thy life, my child, and God shall always hearken to thee and help thee in soul and body.

St. Theodora of Alexandria, "The Lives of the Spiritual Mothers: An Orthodox Materikon of Women Monastics and Ascetics

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#220228 - 01/17/07 04:15 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Every man whose effort is to become truly spiritual must try to hold himself aloof from noisy crowds and not go near them, so as to be outside the vortex and turmoil of men in body, heart and mind; for where there are men, there is turmoil. Our Lord showed us an example of withdrawal from people and solitude when He used to go alone up into a mountain to pray. In the wilderness too he conquered the devil, who dared to wrestle with Him. Naturally He was not powerless to conquer him even among the multitude; but He acted thus to teach us that we can more easily overcome the enemy and reach perfection in silence and solitude. Neither did the Lord show His glory to the disciples in the midst of people, but led them up into a mountain and there showed them His glory. John the Forerunner also dwelt in the wilderness until he appeared to Israel. In the world it is easier for the enemy to press upon us with his weapons, both inner and outer; attracting some men as helpers and assistants obedient to him, he there wages war against the faithful. Some shameless woman may serve as a very strong weapon to him, spreading wide her ensnaring nets. When Ezekiel saw four living creatures, each with four faces, all showing the glory of the Lord, he was not in a city or a village but outside in a plain; for God said to him, "Arise, and go forth into the plain, and there shalt thou be spoken to" (Ezekiel 3:22). In general such visions and revelations were given to the saints only in mountains and wilderness. Prophet Jeremiah, knowing how much solitude pleases God, also said, "It is good for a man when he bears a yoke in his youth. He will sit alone, and be silent" (Lamentations 3:27-28). Again, knowing well how much harm human talk brings to those who want to please God, he could not refrain from saying, "Who would give me a most distant lodge in the wilderness, that I might leave my people, and depart from them?" (Jeremiah 9:2). Also Prophet Elijah received food from the angels, and this not among a crowd of people, nor in a city or a village, but in the wilderness. All these and similar things, which occurred to the saints, were written to persuade us to imitate those who loved retirement, for it can lead us too to the Lord. So try to be well grounded in it, that you may be led to the vision of God, which is the most spiritual contemplation.

St Anthony the Great, "Early Fathers From the Philokalia," by E. Kadloubovsky and G.E.H. Palmer, (London: Faber and Faber, 1954), pp. 46-51

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#220262 - 01/17/07 09:04 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Thank you so much Alexandr for posting this today.

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#220332 - 01/18/07 11:10 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Father Anthony]
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Some thoughts after reading this, (which even married priests struggle with)..

Indeed, where there are people, there is turmoil. These people can be family, friends, co-workers, fellow church goers, etc. I have felt that those times which I have avoided people, have been my most spiritual times and perhaps, even, the times I have been closest to God. However, we are not all called to the monastic life, and taking this route of seclusion can be dangerous to one's marriage and family life.

Our most difficult ascesis in the spiritual life, and most especially in today's secularly oriented world, is *balance*. It is very difficult to keep the scales balanced...either scale being tipped is not good for those called to the Christian family life.

So, if we are called to be in the world, we must continually strive to not be 'of the world'...atleast, not too much. We need to struggle with loving others, even those who are not loveable, forgiving others, being peaceful with others, being humble to others, limiting our egos, and deferring to others, having integrity with others in all sorts of conversation and dealings without sounding self-righteous or acting holier-than-thou, and not being judgemental of others, even when our guts tell us that they are wrong--and always remembering that we, too, probably do much that others can judge us on as well...I especially like an old fashioned Greek saying/response to diplomatically end a conversation when someone was being judged: 'it is their accounting for, not mine'.

All this is so difficult. That is why we can temporarily take comfort in words of the Desert Fathers as Alexandr so lovingly posts for us...in the form of temporary monastic retreats in which we leave behind all the 'turmoil' of others and of the world.

In Christ,
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It was revealed to Abba Anthony that there was one in the city who was his equal. He was a doctor by profession and whatever he had beyond his needs he gave to the poor, and every day he sang the Sanctus with the angels (from Sayings of the Desert Fathers).
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#220336 - 01/18/07 12:02 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance]
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Beware of the counsels of the evil one, if he should come in the guise of one professing truth to beguile you and lead you into deceit. Even if he should come to you as an angel of light, do not believe him or obey him; for he is apt to fascinate the faithful by the attractive semblance of truth. Those who are not perfect do not know these wiles of the devil and are not aware of what he is constantly putting into them; but the perfect know, as the Apostle says, "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil" (Hebrews 5:14). These the devil cannot seduce; but he easily fascinates those faithful, who keep scant attention on themselves, by a bait which appears sweet, and he catches them as a fisherman catches fish with a hook hidden in the bait . . . as Solomon says, "There are ways that seem to be right to a man, but the end of them looks to the depth of hell" (Proverbs 16:25). These things happen to them because in their self-reliance they always follow the inclinations of their heart and fulfill their own desires, not listening to their fathers or asking their advice. So the devil shows them visions and illusions, and puffs up their hearts with pride. Sometimes he sends them dreams at night, which he fulfills in the daytime, thus to plunge them into greater prelest. More than that, he at times shows them light at night, so that the place where they are becomes bright; and he does many other things mistaken for true signs. He does all this to set their mind at rest as regards himself and make them accept him for an angel. As soon as they have accepted him as such, he hurls them down from their height, through the spirit of pride which takes possession of them. He strives to keep them in the conviction that they have become greater and more glorious in spirit than many others and have no need to turn to their fathers and listen to them. But they, according to the Scriptures, are in reality clusters of grapes, shiny but bitter and unripe. Directions of the fathers are onerous for them, for they are convinced that they know everything already.

Anthony the Great, "Early Fathers From the Philokalia," by E. Kadloubovsky and G.E.H. Palmer, (London: Faber and Faber, 1954), pp. 52-54

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#220468 - 01/19/07 11:16 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Sometimes afflictions are sent to a person even though he is innocent, so that he would suffer for others, as did Christ. The Saviour Himself first suffered for people. His Apostles suffered for the Church and for people. Perfect love means suffering for your neighbor.

St. Ambrose of Optina (+1891)

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#220470 - 01/19/07 11:28 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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So the Orthodox believe in redemptive suffering and victim souls like some Catholics do? Very interesting.

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#220663 - 01/21/07 02:32 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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A human being who does not endure courageously the unpleasant burdens of temptations, will never produce fruit worthy of the divine wine-press and eternal harvest, not even if one possesses all other virtues. For one is only perfected through zealously enduring both all the voluntary and involuntary afflictions.

St. Gregory Palamas, Treatise on the Spiritual Life

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#220844 - 01/22/07 01:52 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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As long as we are in this world, let us repent with our whole heart of the evil things which we have done in the flesh, so that we may be saved by the Lord while we still have time for repentance. For after we have departed from the world, we are no longer able there either to confess or to repent anymore.

Second Clement, c. A.D. 100.

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#220967 - 01/23/07 10:54 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Send your treasures to the heavenly storage room. Deposit your wealth in Gods Bank, distributing it to the poor, the orphans and the widows, so that you can receive a million times more in the Second coming of Christ

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#221167 - 01/24/07 01:00 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Do not works precede Scripture and Tradition? Does not Tradition precede Scripture? Were not the works of Noah, Abraham, the Forefathers and representatives of the Church of the Old Testament pleasing to God? And did not the tradition exist among the Patriarchs, beginning with Adam, the forefather of all? Did not Christ give liberty to men and teaching by word of mouth before the Holy Apostles by their writings bore witness to the work of redemption and the law of liberty? Wherefore, between Tradition, works and Scripture, there is no contradiction, but, on the contrary, complete agreement.

A. Khomiakov, The Church is One

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#221325 - 01/25/07 02:20 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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A man is not saved by having once shown mercy to someone, although, if he scorns someone but once, he merits eternal fire. For 'hungered' and 'thirsty' is said not of one occasion, not of one day, but of the whole life. In the same way 'ye gave me meat', 'ye gave me drink', 'ye clothed me', and so on, does not indicate one incident, but a constant attitude to everyone. Our Lord Jesus Christ said that He Himself accepts such mercy from His slaves (in the person of the needy).

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#221454 - 01/26/07 01:43 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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A monk had a brother living in the world who was poor, and so he supplied him with all he received from his work. But the more the monk supplied, the poorer the brother became. So the monk went to tell an old man about it. The old man said to him, "If you want my advice, do not give him anything more, but say to him, 'Brother, when I had something I supplied you; now bring me what you get from your work.' Take all he brings you, and whenever you see a stranger or a poor man, give him some of it, begging him to pray for him."

The monk went away and did this. When his secular brother came, he spoke to him as the old man had said, and the brother went sadly away. The first day, taking some vegetables from his field, he brought them to the monk. The monk took them and gave them to the old men, begging them to pray for his brother, and after the blessing he returned home. In the same way, another time, the brother brought the monk some vegetables and three loaves, which he took, doing as on the first occasion, and having received the blessing he went away.

And the secular brother came a third time bringing many provisions, some bread, and fish. Seeing this, the monk was full of wonder, and he invited the poor so as to give them refreshment. The he said to his brother, "Do you not need a little bread?" The other said to him, "No, for when I used to receive something from you, it was like fire coming into my house and burning it, but now that I receive nothing from you, God blesses me."

Then the monk went to tell the old man all that had happened, and the old man said to him, "Do you not know that the work of the monk is of fire, and where it enters, it burns? It helps your brother more to do alms with what he reaps from his field, and to receive the prayers of the saints and thus to be blessed."

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#221534 - 01/27/07 09:23 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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On one occasion Abba Ammon went to Abba Anthony, and he lost his way, and sat down for a little and fell asleep; and he rose up from his slumber, and prayed unto God, and said, "I beg Thee, O Lord God, not to destroy that which Thou hast fashioned." Then he lifted up his eyes, and behold, there was the form of a man's hand above him in the heavens, and it showed him the way until he came and stood above the cave of Abba Anthony; and when he had gone into the cave of the old man, Abba Anthony prophesied unto him, saying, "You shall increase in the fear of God." Then he took him outside the cave, and showing him a stone, said, "Curse this stone, and strike it," and he did so. Abba Anthony said unto him, "It is thus that you shall arrive at this state, for you shall bear heaviness, and great abuse;" and this actually happened to Abba Ammon.

Now, through his abundant goodness, Abba Ammon knew not wickedness. And after he had become a bishop, through his spiritual excellence they brought unto him a young girl who had conceived, and they said unto him, "So-and-so has done this deed; let them receive correction." But he made the sign of the Cross over her stomach and ordered them to give her six pair of linen cloths, and he said, "When she delivers, either she or the child will die, and if either dies let them be buried." Then those who were with him said unto him, "What is this that you have done? Give the command that they receive correction." And he said unto them, "See, my brothers, she is nigh unto death; what can I do?" Then he dismissed her.

And the old man never ventured to judge anyone, for he was full of loving kindness and endless goodness to all the children of men.

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#221728 - 01/29/07 01:48 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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...advance into battle without hesitation. Should you be visited by the troubling thought of the hatred and undying malice, which the enemies harbor against you, and of the innumerable hosts of the demons, think on the other hand of the infinitely greater power of God and of His love for you, as well as of the incomparably greater hosts of heavenly angels and the prayers of saints. They all fight secretly for us and with us against our enemies...

Lorenzo Scupoli (Unseen Warfare: Chapter 15)

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#221892 - 01/30/07 06:57 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Demons often transform themselves into angels of light and take the form of martyrs, and make it appear to us during sleep that we are in communication with them. Then, when we wake up, they plunge us into unholy joy and conceit. But you can detect their deceit by this very fact. For angles reveal torments, judgments and separations; and when we wake up we find that we are trembling and sad. As soon as we begin to believe the demons in dreams, then they make sport of us when we are awake too. He who believes in dreams is completely inexperienced. 'But he who distrusts all dreams is a wise man. Only believe dreams that warn you of torments and judgments. But if despair afflicts you, then such dreams are also from demons.

St. John Climacus, The Ladder of Divine Ascent

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#221894 - 01/30/07 07:15 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Alexandr:

Noticed your online icon. Hope you don't have the flu that is going around.

Your brother in Christ,

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#221937 - 01/31/07 12:29 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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Even if an angel should indeed appear to you, do not receive him but humiliate yourself, saying, 'I am not worthy to see an angel, for I am a sinner.'

St. Clement of Rome

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#222067 - 02/01/07 01:17 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Do not let the sun go down on the anger of your brother (Eph. 4:26); that is, let no one be angry and enraged against his brother until the setting of the sun.

Elder Ephraim of Philotheou Mount Athos, "Counsels from the Holy Mountain"

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#222200 - 02/02/07 02:16 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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A brother asked Abba Isidore the priest, "Why are the demons so frightened of you?" The old man said to him, "Because, ever since the day I began practicing ascesis, I have striven to prevent anger from reaching my lips.

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#222328 - 02/03/07 08:46 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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BROTHER: What is purity of soul?

OLD MAN: Remoteness from anger and from the error of the remembrance of evil things, and being weaned from the bitter nature, and reconciliation with our enemies, and peace which is beyond troubling, and simplicity of love which is above this world; with these things is the inner man cleansed, and he puts on Christ and is redeemed.

E. A. Wallis Budge, "The Paradise of the Holy Fathers

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#222447 - 02/04/07 09:46 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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He who has put a stop to anger has also destroyed remembrance of wrongs; because childbirth continues only while the father is alive.

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#222614 - 02/05/07 10:39 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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St. Gregory of Nyssa said that birds and other animals rejoice because of their lack of awareness, while man, being endowed with intelligence, is never happy because of his grief. For, he says, we have not been found worthy even to have knowledge of the blessings we have lost. For this reason nature teaches us rather to grieve, since life is full of pain and effort, like a state of exile dominated by sin.

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#222705 - 02/06/07 02:16 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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But if a person is constantly mindful of God, he will rejoice: as the psalmist says, "I remembered God, and I rejoiced" (Psalms 77:3). For when the intellect is gladdened by the remembrance of God, then it forgets the afflictions of this world, places its hope in Him, and is no longer troubled or anxious.

St. Peter of Damaskos, "JOY" (from "The 24 Discourses), "The Philokalia vol. III," - pp. 260 - 263.

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#222915 - 02/07/07 04:24 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Like a flaming pillar in the deepest darkness, so is the coming of God among men. The news of this coming began with an angel and a maiden, with a conversation between heavenly and earthly purity. When an impure heart converses with a pure one, there is strife. When an impure heart converses with a pure one, there is strife. Only when a pure heart converses with a pure one is there joy, peace and a great wonder

St. Nicolai Velimirovich, HOMILY ON THE ANNUNCIATION

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#223101 - 02/08/07 11:00 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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When the holy Abba Anthony lived in the desert he was beset by boredom, and attacked by many sinful thoughts. He said to God, 'Lord, I want to be saved but these thoughts do not leave me alone; what shall I do in my affliction? How can I be saved?'

A short while afterwards, when he got up to go out, Anthony saw a man like himself sitting at his work, getting up from his work to pray, then sitting down and plaiting a rope, then getting up again to pray. It was an angel of the Lord sent to correct and reassure him: 'Do this and you will be saved.' At these words, Anthony was filled with joy and courage. He did this, and he was saved.

The Desert Fathers

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#223228 - 02/09/07 06:31 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Guard thyself then, O man; thou hast the signs of Antichrist; and remember them not only thyself, but impart them also freely to all. If thou hast a child according to the flesh, admonish him of this now; if thou hast begotten one through catechizing, put him also on his guard, test he receive the false one as the True. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work. I fear these wars of the nations; I fear the schisms of the Churches; I fear the mutual hatred of the brethren. But enough on this subject; only God forbid that it should be fulfilled in our days; nevertheless, let us be on our guard. And thus much concerning Antichrist.

St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture XV

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#223336 - 02/11/07 09:21 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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All men ,led by the light of fallen nature alienated from guidance of God's light ,will be enticed into submission to the seducer(antichrist).

St Ignaty Brianchaninov

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#223498 - 02/13/07 12:54 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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We firmly believe that the Church will never fall, will never waiver and will not be destroyed. For this is what Christ taught, by Whom the heavens were established and the earth was founded, and stands firmly as the Holy Spirit says. (Ps. 32:6) The Antichrist will lure to himself those who have a weak and feeble mind, will seduce and will tear them away from the living God.

St. John of Damascus, Oration on the Transfiguration of the Lord

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#223757 - 02/14/07 05:15 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Never before on this earth has there been such a huge number of people who freely and easily, without any shame, without any pangs of conscience "call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20).

Archbishop Averky of Syracuse (of Blessed Memory)

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#224131 - 02/16/07 02:05 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Truly never before has the cross of each person who wants to be a true Christian been as heavy as in this time of the triumph of falsehood which we are experiencing.

Archbishop Averky of Syracuse (of Blessed Memory)

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#224153 - 02/16/07 03:42 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Truly never before has the cross of each person who wants to be a true Christian been as heavy as in this time of the triumph of falsehood which we are experiencing.

Archbishop Averky of Syracuse (of Blessed Memory)


You can say that again! smirk

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#230458 - 04/16/07 05:44 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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Whatever Fr. Macarius advised, he always put humility at the forefront of his counsels; from that virtue he brought forth all the subsequent virtues which make up the character of a true Christian. Here is the essence of the lessons Fr. Macarius taught to all who thirsted for his instructions and edification: to examine your conscience; to continually struggle with your passions; to cleanse your soul of sins; to love God in the simplicity of your heart; to believe in Him without calculating; to have unceasingly before you His limitless mercy, and with all the strength of your soul to praise and bless Him in all of life's unpleasant circumstances; to look for your own guilt, and forgive any trespass of your neighbor against you in order to obtain God's forgiveness for your sins; to try to establish love for your neighbor in yourself; to preserve peace and tranquility in your family and acquaintances; to recall more often the commandments of God and to try to fulfill them, as well as the decrees of the Church; if possible, to go to confession and partake of the Holy Mysteries several times a year; to observe all four fast periods, as well as Wednesdays and Fridays; to attend Vigil and Liturgy on every feast day; to say morning and evening prayers and even a few psalms every day, and, if time allows, to read a chapter of the Gospels or the Epistles of the Apostle; to pray every morning and evening for the repose of the departed and the salvation of the living, and, at the beginning of this prayer, to pray with reverence for the Sovereign Tsar and all the Royal Family. If, under whatever circumstances, you cannot fulfill these obligations, then reproach yourself so as to sincerely repent, and make a firm resolve not to fail likewise in the future. Pray even for those against whom you bear some ill will, for this is the surest means towards reconciliation in Christ.

From the "Reminiscences of a Spiritual Son" in Elder Macarius of Optina (Platina, CA: St. Herman of Alaska Brotherhood Press, 1995), pp. 357-358.

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#230792 - 04/17/07 06:52 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Alexandr,

I'm glad to see these are up and running again.

Dr. Eric

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#251959 - 09/08/07 11:21 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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The "principal characteristics" of the zealot according to knowledge are the following: "fervent love for God and neighbor, gentleness, religious tolerance, forbearance, graciousness of manner." St Nectarios of Aegina

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#252026 - 09/09/07 11:14 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Prayer is grace. God gives it when there exists zeal and humility Let Christ not be missing from your heart.

Elder Amphilochios of Patmos +1970

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#252035 - 09/10/07 05:24 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Dear Alexandr,

I am thrilled to see these words of wisdom again...

and happy to see you back, hoping that you are now feeling better.

In Christ,
Alice

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#252130 - 09/10/07 09:22 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Alice]
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Alexandr,

Great quotes!

I'm glad to see you back here!

Keep 'em comin'!

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#252149 - 09/10/07 11:13 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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Have you realized that the world and worldly cares do not hinder in fulfilling God's commandments, when there is zeal and attention? That silence and retirement from the world are useless, if laziness and negligence prevail?"

St. Simeon the New Theologian

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#252303 - 09/12/07 12:56 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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The non-possessive ascetic is a son of detachment, and thinks of what he has as if it were nothing. When he becomes a solitary, he regards everything as refuse. But if he worries about something, he has not yet become non-possessive.

St. John Climacus, "The Ladder of Divine Ascent,"

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#252425 - 09/12/07 11:09 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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The good Lord shows His great care for us in that the shamelessness of the feminine sex is checked by shyness as with a sort of bit. For if the woman were to run after the man, no flesh would be saved.

St. John Climacus, "The Ladder of Divine Ascent

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#252452 - 09/13/07 03:51 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Originally Posted By: Slavipodvizhnik
The good Lord shows His great care for us in that the shamelessness of the feminine sex is checked by shyness as with a sort of bit. For if the woman were to run after the man, no flesh would be saved.

St. John Climacus, "The Ladder of Divine Ascent


Oh dear!!! frown
Not to make light of this, but anyone with children will know how much this has changed. shocked
In my day we used to wait for phone calls from boys, today's girls take matters into their own hands and call the boys! crazy

Alice

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#252535 - 09/13/07 07:05 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Alice]
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I must agree. That's why I was scared of dating.

Sometimes a guy has to beat them off with a stick.

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#252694 - 09/14/07 08:17 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Terry Bohannon]
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A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, "You are mad; you are not like us.

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#252718 - 09/14/07 11:45 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Originally Posted By: Slavipodvizhnik
A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, "You are mad; you are not like us.

St. Anthony the Great


O St. Anthony, the time is already here! cry

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#252775 - 09/15/07 11:40 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, "You are mad; you are not like us.

St. Anthony the Great


Kind of an early prophecy that was fleshed in by St. Nilus, concerning the 20th centruy.

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#252819 - 09/15/07 06:07 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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An Athonite elder said, "Blasphemous thoughts are like airplanes that annoy us, against our will, with their noise, and we are powerless to prevent them. The heavy anti-aircraft battery is psalmody, because it is both prayer to Christ and disdain for the devil."

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#252970 - 09/16/07 03:42 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Wherefore on no account suffer any evil habit to master thee; but, while it is yet young, pluck the evil root out of thine heart, lest it fasten on and strike root so deep that time and labor be required to uproot it. And the reason that greater sins assault us and get the mastery of our souls is that those which appear to be less, such as wicked thoughts, unseemly words and evil communications, fail to receive proper correction.

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#256606 - 10/14/07 01:25 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Do all in your power not to fall, for the strong athlete should not fall. But if you do fall, get up again at once and continue the contest. Even if you fall a thousand times because of the withdrawal of God's grace, rise up again each time, and keep on doing so until the day of your death. For it is written, "If a righteous man fall seven times" -- that is, repeatedly throughout his life -- seven times "shall he rise again" (Proverbs 24:16). So long as you hold fast, with tears and prayer, to the weapon of the monastic habit, you will be counted among those that stand upright, even though you fall again and again. So long as you remain a monk, you will be like a brave soldier who faces the blows of the enemy; and God will commend you, because even when struck you refused to surrender or run away. But if you give up the monastic life, running away like a coward and a deserter, the enemy will strike you in the back; and you will lose your freedom of communion with God.

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#259326 - 10/29/07 09:03 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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So long as you remain a monk, you will be like a brave soldier who faces the blows of the enemy; and God will commend you, because even when struck you refused to surrender or run away. But if you give up the monastic life, running away like a coward and a deserter, the enemy will strike you in the back; and you will lose your freedom of communion with God.


ALEXANDR:

I suspect that St. John would agree with this paraphrase for those of us who are of the laity:

"So long as you remain a Christian, you will be like a brave soldier who faces the blows of the enemy; and God will commend you, because even when struck you refused to surrender or run away. But if you give up the struggle, running away like a coward and a deserter, the enemy will strike you in the back; and you will lose your freedom of communion with God.

Thank God for you, first of all, and thank you for posting this thought-provoking passage.

In Christ,

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#259328 - 10/29/07 09:09 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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Bob,

Whether we are of the laity or bound by monastic habit, we strive for the same goal, and face the same enemy. I heard once the laity compared to the Army and monasticism compared to Special Forces. The enemy sends his crack troops against the special forces, but does not overlook the army by any means.
So yes, your paraphrase is a very apt adaptation for the laity, in my humble opinion.

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#260121 - 11/02/07 10:18 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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One who has an evil heart should not despair, for with Gods help, one can correct his heart. He must only remain vigilant and miss no opportunity to help his neighbors. He must open himself up before his elder, and must be as charitable as possible. This, of course cannot be accomplished all at once, but the Lord is very patient. He brings a persons life to an end only when He sees him ready to depart into eternity or when he sees no hope for his correction.

Counsels of the Venerable Elder St. Amvrossy of Optina

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#260169 - 11/03/07 10:05 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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He brings a persons life to an end only when He sees him ready to depart into eternity or when he sees no hope for his correction.


" . . . or when He sees no hope for his correction."

What a chilling thought, though so true, given human nature and the fickleness of the human heart. I guess this is something that should be taped to the mirror so we could see it at the beginning and the end of each day.

Lord Jesus, give us the grace You know we need so that we may never be found in this state.

BOB


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#260173 - 11/03/07 10:38 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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The dearest thing of all for the Christian is the Truth, for the sake of witnessing to which the Lord Jesus Christ came to earth, as He Himself said to Pilate (Jn 18:37). And for the true Christian there can be only one desirable unity--unity in the Truth of Christ--the pure, undistorted, uncorrupted Truth, without any admixture of diabolic falsehood, not envenomed by any compromise with it. From this point of view, all these appeals for "peace" and "unity" are unacceptable, for they come from people who encroach on our principal treasure--the pure and undefiled truth of the teaching of Christ that has been preserved by us, and who wish to substitute for it a lie which is of the devil. The "unity" which is now envisaged by the enemies of the pure truth of Christ is not unity in Christ. It is that unity which the Antichrist, who wishes to subject all to himself and to found his kingdom on earth, is striving to create.

"On the Situation of the Orthodox Christian in the Contemporary World by Archbishop Averky of Syracuse


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#260175 - 11/03/07 10:48 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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You know what, I've thought this for a long time. It's good to see that my speculation is backed up by someone greater than myself.

It would also explain the actions of those who are murderers or martyrs.

I'm thinking of the Columbine massacre in which there was a girl who was staring down the barrel of a gun and was asked whether or not she believed in God. She said yes, was killed and received her reward ("Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father." - Mat 10:32)

Whereas those demon obsessed boys ended their lives by killing themselves. ("Now the works of the flesh are manifest: which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury, idolatry, witchcrafts, enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects,envies, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like. Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God." -Gal 5:19-21)

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to sit in judgment on those kids, just stating what seems to be what Scripture teaches. I hope and pray that everyone who was killed that day is in heaven.

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#260633 - 11/05/07 09:34 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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This good zeal has always inspired our Most Holy Church to offer up liturgical petitions such as: "gather the dispersed; bring back those who have gone astray, and unite them to Thy Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church." This good zeal expands the hearts of Orthodox Christians to pray unceasingly for the repentance and the return of those who belong to other denominations and other religions, and of the whole world , to the light of our Holy Faith.

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#261177 - 11/08/07 09:38 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Moreover, in the Catholic Church itself, all possible care must be taken, that we hold that faith which has been believed everywhere, always, by all. For that is truly and in the strictest sense 'Catholic,' which, as the name itself and the reason of the thing declare, comprehends all universally. This rule we shall observe if we follow universality, antiquity, consent. We shall follow universality if we confess that one faith to be true, which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity, if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is manifest were notoriously held by our holy ancestors and fathers; consent, in like manner, if in antiquity itself we adhere to the consentient definitions and determinations of all, or at the least of almost all priests and doctors.

St. Vincent of Lerins, A Commonitory.

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#261258 - 11/09/07 01:00 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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...[the devil] sees the strength and firmness of will of those who pay attention to spiritual life, and strives to conquer their mind by means of ... curiosity, in order to gain possession of their mind and will. For this purpose he is wont to suggest to them thoughts that are lofty, subtle and wondrous, especially to those who are sharp-witted and quick to make lofty speculations. Attracted by the pleasure of possessing and examining such lofty thoughts, they forget to watch over their purity of heart...; they make an idol of their own mind and thus, little by little, without realizing it, they fall into the thought that they no longer need any advice or admonition from others, since they are accustomed in all cases to hasten to the idol of their own understanding and judgment.

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#261581 - 11/11/07 11:09 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"Good and God-loving men accuse people of something bad when they are present, but when they are absent they not only refrain from accusing them, but do not permit others to do so when they attempt to speak of them."

From St. Anthony the Great (170 Texts on Saintly Life no. 30)

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#261814 - 11/12/07 09:58 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Christanity is similar to tasting deeply of truth, eating and drinking of truth - to eat and drink on and on unto power and energy. It is like a certain spring when someone very thirsty begins to drink from it. But then, while he is drinking, someone rushes him off before he has drunk his fill. Afterward, he burns more ardently, because he has tasted the water and eagerly seeks it. So also in the spiritual life, a person tastes and partakes of the heavenly food, but while he is eating it is taken away and no one given him to eat his fill.

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#263207 - 11/18/07 08:08 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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There are five occupations which help to gain God's benevolence. The first is pure prayer; the second, psalmody; the third, reading the Holy Scriptures; the fourth, contrite remembrance of one's sins, of death and the terrible judgment; the fifth, work with one's hands.

"Reflections on the Eight Thoughts", Abba Evagrius, translated from the Russian text, "Dobrotolubiye."

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#263429 - 11/19/07 09:02 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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The antichrist must be understood as spiritual phenomenon...,why will everyone in the world want to bow down to him, obviously it is because there is something in him that responds to something in us, that something being lack of Christ in us, if we will bow down to him (God forbid that we do so) it will be because we feel an attraction to some kind external thing which might even look like Christianity since antichrist means the one that is in place of Christ or looks like Christ.

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#263987 - 11/22/07 02:48 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Labor to acquire thanksgiving toward God for everything, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you, and then you will find peace.

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#264126 - 11/23/07 12:11 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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'A faithful friend is beyond price' (Eccles. 6:15), since he regards his friend's misfortunes as his own and suffers with him, sharing his trials until death.

St. Maximos the Confessor, Fourth Century on Love

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#264479 - 11/24/07 10:26 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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But nothing causes such exceeding grief as when anyone, lying under the captivity of sin, calls to mind from where he has fallen, because he turned aside to carnal and earthly things, instead of directing his mind in the beautiful ways of the knowledge of God.
So you find Adam concealing himself, when he knew that God was present and wishing to be hidden when called by God with that voice which wounded the soul of him who was hiding: 'Adam, where art thou?' That is to say, Why do you hide yourself? Why are you concealed? Why do you avoid Him Whom you once longed to see?

A guilty conscience is so burdensome that it punishes itself without a judge, and wishes for covering, and yet is bare before God.

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#264859 - 11/26/07 11:20 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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It is known that the body has three kinds of carnal movements.

The first is a natural movement, inherent in it, which does not produce anything (sinful, burdening the conscience) without the consent of the soul and merely lets it be known that it exists in the body.

The second kind of movement in the body is produced by too abundant food and drink, when the resulting heat in the blood stimulates the body to fight against the soul and urges it towards impure lusts. Wherefore the Apostle says: "be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess" (Ephesians 5:18). In the same way the Lord commands His disciples in the Gospels: "take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness" (Luke 21:34). And those who are monks, and are zealous to achieve the full measure of sanctity and purity, should take particular care always to keep themselves such that they can say with the Apostle, "I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection" (1 Corinthians 9:27).

The third movement comes from the evil spirits, who thus tempt us out of envy and try to weaken those who have found purity (who are already monks), or to lead astray from the path those who wish to enter into the door of purity (that is, those who are as yet on the threshold of monkhood).

However, if a man arms himself with patience and an unswerving faithfulness to the commandments of God, the Holy Spirit will teach his mind how to purify his soul and body from such movements. But if at any time he weakens in his feeling and permits himself to neglect the commandments and ordinances he has heard, the evil spirits will begin to overpower him, will press upon all parts of the body and will befoul it by this movement, until the tormented soul will not know where to turn, in its despair seeing nowhere whence help could come. Only when sobered, it returns again to the commandments and, shouldering their yoke (or realizing the strength of its obligations), commits itself to the Holy Spirit, it regains a salutary disposition. Then it understands that it should seek peace solely in God, and that only thus is peace possible.

St Anthony the Great, "Early Fathers from the Philokalia"

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#264871 - 11/27/07 01:16 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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That's why he's St. Anthony the Great.

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#293451 - 06/27/08 11:30 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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Just as the sun and moon, at the command of God, travel through the heavens in order to light the world, even though they are soul-less, so the body, at the behest of the soul, will perform works of light. As the sun journeys each day from east to west, thus making one day, while when it disappears night comes, so each virtue that a man practices illumines the soul, and when it disappears passion and darkness come until he again acquires that virtue, and light in this way returns to him. As the sun rises in the furthest east and slowly shifts its rays until it reaches the other extreme, thus forming time, so a man slowly grows from the moment he first begins to practice the virtues until he attains the state of dispassion. And just as the moon waxes and wanes every month, so with respect to each particular virtue a man waxes and wanes daily, until this virtue becomes established in him. At times, in accordance with God's will, he is afflicted, at times he rejoices and gives thanks to God, unworthy as he is to acquire the virtues; and sometimes he is illumined, sometimes filled with darkness, until his course is finished.
All this happens to him by God's providence: some things are sent to keep him from self-elation, and others to keep him from despair. Just as in this present age the sun creates the solstices and the moon waxes and wanes, whereas in the age to come there will always be light for the righteous and darkness for those who, like me, alas, are sinners, so, before the attainment of perfect love and of vision in God, the soul in the present world has its solstices, and the intellect experiences darkness as well as virtue and spiritual knowledge; and this continues until, through the acquisition of that perfect love to which all our effort is directed, we are found worthy of performing the works that pertain to the world to be. For it is for love's sake that he who is in a state of obedience obeys what is commanded; and it is for love's sake that he who is rich and free sheds his possessions and becomes a servant, surrendering both what he has and himself to whoever wishes to possess them. He who fasts likewise does so for love's sake, so that others may eat what he would otherwise have eaten. In short, every work rightly done is done out of love for God or for one's neighbor. The things we have spoken of, and others like them, are done out of love for one's neighbor, while vigils, psalmody and the like are done out of love for God. To Him be glory, honor and dominion through all the ages. Amen.

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#293592 - 06/28/08 10:50 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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To speak of love is to dare to speak of God; for, according to St. John the Theologian, "God is love; and he who dwells in love dwells in God" (I John 4:16). And the astonishing thing is that this chief of all the virtues is a natural virtue. Thus, in the law, it is given pride of place: "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might" (Deuteronomy 6:5). When I heard the words "with all your soul" I was astounded, and no longer needed to hear the rest. For "with all your soul" means with the intelligent, incensive and desiring powers of the soul, because it is of these three powers that the soul is composed. Thus the intellect should think at all times about divine matters, while desire should long constantly and entirely, as the Law says, for God alone and never for anything else; and the incensive power should actively oppose only what obstructs this longing, and nothing else. St. John, consequently, was right in saying that God is love. If God sees that, as He commanded, these three powers of the soul aspire to Him alone, then, since He is good, He will necessarily not only love that soul, but through the inspiration of the Spirit will dwell and move within it (II Corinthians 6:16; Leviticus 26:12); and the body, though reluctant and unwilling -- for it lacks intelligence -- will end by submitting to the intelligence, while the flesh will no longer rise in protest against the Spirit, as St. Paul puts it (Galatians 5:17).
Just as the sun and moon, at the command of God, travel through the heavens in order to light the world, even though they are soulless, so the body, at the behest of the soul, will perform works of light. As the sun journeys each day from east to west, thus making one day, while when it disappears night comes, so each virtue that a man practices illumines the soul, and when it disappears passion and darkness come until he again acquires that virtue, and light in this way returns to him. As the sun rises in the furthest east and slowly shifts its rays until it reaches the other extreme, thus forming time, so a man slowly grows from the moment he first begins to practice the virtues until he attains the state of dispassion. And just as the moon waxes and wanes every month, so with respect to each particular virtue a man waxes and wanes daily, until this virtue becomes established in him. At times, in accordance with God's will, he is afflicted, at times he rejoices and gives thanks to God, unworthy as he is to acquire the virtues; and sometimes he is illumined, sometimes filled with darkness, until his course is finished.
All this happens to him by God's providence: some things are sent to keep him from self-elation, and others to keep him from despair. Just as in this present age the sun creates the solstices and the moon waxes and wanes, whereas in the age to come there will always be light for the righteous and darkness for those who, like me, alas, are sinners, so, before the attainment of perfect love and of vision in God, the soul in the present world has its solstices, and the intellect experiences darkness as well as virtue and spiritual knowledge; and this continues until, through the acquisition of that perfect love to which all our effort is directed, we are found worthy of performing the works that pertain to the world to be. For it is for love's sake that he who is in a state of obedience obeys what is commanded; and it is for love's sake that he who is rich and free sheds his possessions and becomes a servant, surrendering both what he has and himself to whoever wishes to possess them. He who fasts likewise does so for love's sake, so that others may eat what he would otherwise have eaten. In short, every work rightly done is done out of love for God or for one's neighbor. The things we have spoken of, and others like them, are done out of love for one's neighbor, while vigils, psalmody and the like are done out of love for God. To Him be glory, honor and dominion through all the ages. Amen.

St Peter of Damascus

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#298003 - 08/23/08 05:06 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Do not limit yourself to striving for the right outward order: fasting and prayer. Strive also for greater inward order, only to be attained through intensified love and deep humility.

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#298190 - 08/25/08 11:26 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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Hate is obdurate and long-standing anger. Anger, when it is not soon assuaged, becomes malice, wherefore the Apostle exhorts and teaches us to set aside anger at the very beginning and quickly: Let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil (Eph. 4:26-27). And hence we see that whoever nurses anger and malice for his neighbor gives place to the devil. The devil already possesses him like a spirit of malice and leads him about as a captive. Hate arises either from envy, as with Cain who nursed a hatred for his brother, Abel, whose happiness he envied, and he killed him (d. Gen. ch. 4); or from an offense done to someone. Thus, people become angered and embittered at those who have offended them, and they desire to render them evil for evil, and so avenge their offense. Hatred is a most abominable sin and worthy of derision. Every other sin brings either some gain or some pleasure to the sinner. The thief steals to satisfy his soul. A fornicator fornicates to please his flesh. A bitter man is embittered without any of that. He sins and he suffers; he transgresses and he is eaten, he avenges and he endures vengeance. Thus, hatred is itself the punishment and scourge of the malicious.

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#298250 - 08/26/08 11:13 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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If it were possible to look into the heart of a malicious man, nothing else would appear but only the torment of hell. So it is that malicious people are darkened and withered, for malice eats up their flesh like a poison. O cruel passion, cruel and destructive both to the malicious and to those against whom it arises and takes up arms! When it is not cut off in the beginning it works great calamities, much the same as a fire having gained strength eats up many houses.

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#298327 - 08/27/08 11:10 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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According to tradition, St. Nicholas took part in the First Ecumenical Council in Nicaea, which brought forth a condemnation of the heretic Arius, who denied the Divinity of the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, the Son of God. During the disputes which occurred in connection with this, St. Nicholas could not listen with indifference to the blasphemous speeches of the arrogant heretic Arius, possessed by pride, who demeaned the Divine divinity of the Son of God, and before the whole Council he struck him in the face with his hand. This evoked such a general consternation that the Fathers of the Council decreed that the bold hierarch be deprived of hierarchal rank. But in that very night they were made to understand by a wondrous vision: they saw how the Lord Jesus Christ gave St. Nicholas His Holy Gospel, and the Most Pure Mother of God placed upon his shoulders the episcopal omophorion. And then they understood that St. Nicholas was guided in his act not by any evil, passionately sinful motives, but solely by pure, holy zeal for God's glory. And they forgave the hierarch, abrogating their sentence against him.
By citing such a picturesque example, we do not in the least wish to say that one of us can or should follow this example literally: for this one must be himself just as great a holy hierarch as St. Nicholas. But this should absolutely convince us that we do not dare to remain indifferent or be unconcerned about the manifestations of evil in the world, especially when the matter is one of God's glory, of our Holy Faith and church. Here we must show ourselves to be completely uncompromising, and we do not dare enter into any sort of cunning compromises or any reconciliation, even purely outward, or into any kind whatever of agreement with evil. To our personal enemies, according to Christ's commandment, we must forgive everything, but with the enemies of God we cannot have peace! Friendship with the enemies of God makes us ourselves the enemies of God: this is a betrayal and treason towards God, under whatever well-seeming pretexts it might be done, and here no kind of cunning or skillful self-justification can help us!
It is interesting to note how displeasing this act of St. Nicholas is to all the contemporary consenters to evil, these propagandists of a false "Christian love" which is prepared to be reconciled not only with heretics, persecutors of the Faith and the Church, but even with the devil himself, in the name of "universal love" and "the union of all" — slogans which have become so fashionable in our days. For the sake of this, these consenters strive even to refute the very fact of the participation of St. Nicholas in the First Ecumenical Council, even though this fact is accepted by our Holy Church and therefore must be respected by all of us as reliable.
All of this happens, of course, because among contemporary people, even those who call themselves "Christians," there is no longer an authentic holy zeal for God and His glory, there is no zeal for Christ our Savior, zeal for the Holy Church and for every holy thing of God. In place of this there prevails a luke-warm indifference, an indifferent attitude to everything except one's own earthly well-being, with a forgetfulness of the just judgement of God which unfailingly awaits all of us, and of the eternity which will be revealed after death.
And without this holy zeal, as we emphasized at the beginning, there is no true Christianity, no authentic spiritual life — life in Christ. That is why this has been replaced now by all kinds of cheap surrogates, at times quite low ones, which however often answer to the tastes and attitudes of contemporary man. And therefore such pseudo-Christians, skillfully covering up their spiritual emptiness by hypocrisy, often have great success in contemporary society, from which authentic spirituality has been rinsed out; while authentic zealots of God's glory are despised and persecuted as "difficult people," "intolerant fanatics," "people who are behind the times."
And thus even now before our eyes is occurring the "winnowing:" some will remain with Christ to the end, and some will easily and naturally join the camp of His opponent, Antichrist, especially when the hour of threatening trials will come for our faith, when precisely it will be necessary to show in all its fullness the whole power of our holy zeal, which is abhorred by many as "fanaticism."
But at the same time one should not forget that, besides true holy zeal, there is also a zeal without understanding — zeal which loses its value because of the absence in it of a most important Christian virtue: discernment, and therefore, in place of profit can bring harm.
And there is likewise a false, lying zeal, behind the mask of which is concealed the foaming of ordinary human passions — most frequently pride, love of power and honor, and the interests of a party politics like that which plays the leading role in political struggles, and for which there can be no place in spiritual life, in public church life, but which unfortunately is often to be encountered in our time and is a chief instigator of every imaginable quarrel and disturbance in the Church, the managers and instigators of which often hide themselves behind some kind of supposed idealism but in reality pursue only their own personal aims, striving to please not God but their own self-concern, and being zealous not for God's glory but their own glory and the glory of the colleagues and partisans of their party (i.e. jurisdiction).
All of this, it goes without saying, is profoundly foreign to true holy zeal, hostile to it, is sinful and criminal, for it only compromises our Holy Faith and Church!
And so, the choice is before us: are we with Christ or Antichrist?
The time is near (Apocalypse 22:10) — thus did even the holy Apostles warn us Christians. And if it was "near" then, in Apostolic times, how much "nearer" has it become now, in our ominous days of manifest apostasy from Christ and persecution against our Holy Faith and Church?!
And if we firmly resolve in these fateful days to remain with Christ, not in words only but in deeds as well, it is absolutely indispensable right now, without putting it off, to break off every bond of friendship, every form of communion with the servants of the approaching Antichrist, who has enlisted so many of them in the contemporary world, under lying pretexts of "universal peace" and "prosperity;" and especially must one free oneself unconditionally from every subservience to them and dependence on them, even if this might be bound up with detriment to our earthly well-being or even with danger for our early life itself.
Eternity is more important than our brief existence on earth, and it is precisely for it that we must prepare ourselves!
And therefore, ONLY HOLY ZEAL FOR GOD, FOR CHRIST, without any admixture of any kind of slyness or ambiguous cunning POLITICS, must guide us in all deeds and actions.
Otherwise, a stern sentence threatens us: Because thou art neither hot nor cold, I will vomit thee out of My mouth (Apocalypse 3:16).
Be zealous, therefore, and repent! (Apocalypse 3:19). Amen.

+Archbishop Averky of Blessed Memory

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#298516 - 08/31/08 01:30 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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On Repentance

Open to me the doors of repentance, O Giver of Life!

Repentance is expressed by the Greek word, metanoia. In the literal sense, this means a change of mind. In other words, repentance is a change of one's disposition, one's way of thinking; a change of one's inner self. Repentance is a reconsideration of one's views, an alteration of one's life.

How can this come about? In the same way that a dark room into which a man enters is illumined by the rays of the sun. Looking around the room in the dark, he can make out certain things, but there is a great deal he does not see and does not even suspect is there. Many things are perceived quite differently from what they actually are. He has to move carefully, not knowing what obstacles he might encounter. When, however, the room becomes bright, he can see things clearly and move about freely.

The same thing happens in spiritual life.

When we are immersed in sins, and our mind is occupied solely with worldly cares, we do not notice the state of our soul. We are indifferent to who we are inwardly, and we persist along a false path without being aware of it.

But then a ray of God's Light penetrates our soul. And what filth we see in ourselves! How much untruth, how much falsehood! How hideous many of our actions prove to be, which we fancied to be so wonderful. And it becomes clear to us which is the true path.

If we then recognize our spiritual nothingness, our sinfulness, and earnestly desire our amendment - we are near to salvation. From the depths of our soul we shall cry out to God: "Have mercy on me, O God, have mercy according to Thy Great mercy!" "Forgive me and save me!" "Grant me to see my own faults and not to judge my brother!"

As Great Lent begins, let us hasten to forgive each other all hurts and offenses. May we always hear the words of the Gospel for Forgiveness Sunday: If ye forgive men their debts, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if ye forgive not men their debts, neither will your Father forgive your debts (Matt. 6:14-15).

St.John the Wonderworker of Shanghai and San Francisco

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#298571 - 08/31/08 08:01 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Is that a miraculous picture of St. John of San Francisco with his head aglow, or is that just light shining down from a window?

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#322198 - 05/15/09 10:57 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Elizabeth Maria]
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"Still we honor the relics of the martyrs, that we may adore Him whose martyrs they are. WE HONOR the servants that their honor may be reflected upon their Lord who Himself says: "he that receiveth you receiveth me"."

St. Jerome, Epistle 109:1, NPNF II, 6:212

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#322205 - 05/16/09 01:56 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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What a lot is expressed in that extract

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#322243 - 05/16/09 11:13 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Our Lady's slave]
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Wrath is a reminder of hidden hatred, that is to say, remembrance of wrongs. Wrath is a desire for the injury of the one who has provoked you. Irascibility is the untimely blazing up of the heart. Bitterness is a movement of displeasure seated in the soul. Anger is an easily changeable movement of one’s disposition and disfiguration of soul.

St. John Climacus, “The Ladder of Divine Ascent

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#322541 - 05/20/09 09:51 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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If you do not feel like praying, you have to force yourself. The Holy Fathers say that prayer with force is higher than prayer unforced. You do not want to, but force yourself. The Kingdom of Heaven is taken by force (Matt. 11:12). REF:St. Ambrose of Optina (+1891)

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#322567 - 05/21/09 12:25 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Alice]
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If you want, or rather intend, to take a splinter out of another person, then do not hack at it with a stick instead of a lancet, for you will only drive it in deeper. And this is a stick – rude speech and rough gestures. And this is a lancet – tempered instruction and patient reprimand. “Reprove,” says the Apostle, “rebuke, exhort,” but he did not say “beat.” (II Timothy 4:2) And if even this is required, do it rarely, and not with your own hand.

St John Climacu, the Ladder o Divine Ascent, Step 8, On Freedom From Anger and On Meekness

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#322642 - 05/22/09 12:19 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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[The Lord] is always knocking at the doors of our hearts, that we may open to Him, that He may enter in and rest in Our souls, and we may wash and anoint His feet, and He may make His abode with us. The Lord in that passage reproaches the man who did not wash His feet (Luke 7:44); and again He says elsewhere, Behold, I stand at the door and knock, if any man will open unto Me, I shall come in unto him (Rev. 3:20). To this end He endured to suffer many things, giving His own body unto death, and purchasing us out of bondage, in order that He might come to our soul and make His abode with it.. ..His food and His drink, His clothing and shelter and rest is in our souls. Therefore He is always knocking, desiring to enter into us.. Let us then receive Him, and bring Him within ourselves; because He is our food and our drink and our eternal life, and every soul that has not now received Him within and given Him rest, or rather found rest in Him, has no inheritance in the kingdom of heaven with the saints, and cannot enter into the heavenly city.. But Thou, Lord Jesus Christ, bring us thereunto, glorifying Thy name, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, for ever. Amen

St Macarius the Great

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#322706 - 05/22/09 10:20 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Let not us who would be Christians expect anything else than to be crucified....for to be Christian is to be crucified in this time and in any time since Christ came for the first time. His life is the example and warning to us all. We must be crucified personally,mystically;for trough crucifixion is the only path to resurrection,if we would rise with Christ,we must be humbled with him even to the ultimate humiliation, being devoured and spit forth by the uncomprehending world........we must be crucified outwardly in the eyes of the world, for Christ kingdom is not of this world and world cannot bear it, even a single represantative, even for the single moment. The world can only accept antichrist now or at any time.

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#322935 - 05/24/09 11:15 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Do not pray that things may be according to your desires, for they are not always in keeping with the will of God. Better pray as you were taught, saying: "Thy will be done" on me (Matthew 6:10). And ask thus about all things, for He always desires what is good and profitable for your soul, whereas you do not always seek it.

"153 Texts on Prayer", St Nilus of Mt Sinai

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#325120 - 06/17/09 10:30 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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If you do not feel like praying, you have to force yourself. The Holy Fathers say that prayer with force is higher than prayer unforced. You do not want to, but force yourself. The Kingdom of Heaven is taken by force (Matt. 11:12).

--St. Ambrose of Optina (+1891)

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#329503 - 08/08/09 01:03 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Alice]
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What shall I say about dogs who have a natural instinct to show gratitude and to serve as watchful guardians of their master's safety? Hence Scripture cries out to the ungrateful, the slothful, and the craven: 'Dumb dogs, not able to bark.' To dogs, therefore, is given the ability to bark in defense of their masters and their homes. Thus you should learn to use your voice for the sake of Christ, when ravening wolves attack His sheepfold. Have the word ready on your lips, lest, like a silent watch dog, you may appear because of your unfaithfulness to abandon the post entrusted to you.

St. Ambrose of Milan

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#329514 - 08/08/09 03:26 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Dear Alexandr,

Welcome back! During your considerable absence I have been trying to maintain the wisdom of the Optina and other Fathers.

May we all be enlightened, enriched, and blessed by their words.

Best regards,
Alice

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#329574 - 08/08/09 07:16 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Alice]
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Many teach their children about worldly politics, others teach them to speak foreign languages: French, German, Italian, and in this spend no trifling sums. Others endeavor to teach them commerce and other arts. But hardly anyone teaches them to live in a Christian manner. However, without this, all learning is nothing and all wisdom is madness. For what does it profit a Christian to speak Italian, French and German, if he lives in an ungodly manner? What use is it to be skilled in commerce and the arts if one lacks the fear of God? God will not ask you whether you taught your children French, German or Italian or the politics of social life--but you will not escape divine reprobation for not having instilled goodness into them. I speak plainly but I tell the truth: if your children are bad, your grandchildren will be worse, and the evil will thus increase...and the root of all this is our thoroughly bad education.

St. Tikhon of Zadonsk

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#329582 - 08/08/09 09:52 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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ALEXANDR:

Christ is in our midst!!

Thank God for you and thank you for this quote. I immediately sent it to my children and new inlaws. It is well worth meditating on.

BOB

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#329678 - 08/09/09 11:59 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: theophan]
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A life of fasting, properly understood as general self-limitation and abstinence, to the annual practice of which the Church always calls us with the Great Lent, is really that bearing of the cross and self-crucifixion which is required of us by our calling as Christians. And anyone who stubbornly resists this, wanting to live a carefree, happy, and free life, is concerned for sensual pleasures and avoids sorrow and suffering that person is not a Christian. Bearing one's cross is the natural way of every true Christian, without which there is no Christianity.

Archbishop Averky of Syracuse (of Blessed Memory)

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#330081 - 08/15/09 11:01 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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A mole burrowing in the earth is blind and cannot see the stars; and he who does not trust God in temporal things will not trust Him in eternal things.

Saint Kosmas Aitolos +1779

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#330173 - 08/16/09 11:59 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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How much our American Orthodoxy needs MORE HEART and not so much mind! I don't know any answer for it, except MORE PRAYER and basic education in ORTHODOX SOURCES.

Blessed Hieromonk Seraphim Rose, "Letters"

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#330242 - 08/17/09 11:28 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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He who has no love cannot be called a Christian…The whole Gospel is summarized in compassion. And this secures immortality and eternal life to man.

St.Justin (Popvitch) +1979

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#330400 - 08/19/09 11:53 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Those who live in the world -- or rather who live after the fashion of the world, for this includes many so-called monks -- should try to attain a measure of devotion, as did the righteous men of old, so as to examine their unhappy souls before their death and to amend or humble them, and not to bring them to utter destruction through their total ignorance and their conscious or unconscious sins. David, indeed, was a king; but every night he watered his bed with tears because of his sense of the divine presence (Psalms 6:6). And Job says: "The hair of my flesh stood up" (Job 4:15).

Let us then, like those living in the world, devote at least a small part of the day and night to God; and let us consider what we are going to say in our defense before out righteous Judge on the terrible day of judgment. Let us take trouble over this, for it is essential in view of the threat of age long punishment; and let us not be troubled about how we shall live if we are poor or how we can grow rich so as to give alms, thus stupidly devoting all our attention to worldly matters.

St. Peter of Damaskos, "The Bodily Virtues As Tools For The Acquisition Of The Virtues Of The Soul"

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#330927 - 08/27/09 01:11 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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You ask about a prayer rule. Yes, it is good to have a prayer rule on account of our weakness so that on the one hand we do not give in to laziness, and on the other hand we restrain our enthusiasm to its proper measure. The greatest practitioners of prayer kept a prayer rule. They would always begin with established prayers, and if during the course of these a prayer started on its own, they would put aside the others and pray that prayer. If this is what the great practitioners of prayer did, all the more reason for us to do so. Without established prayers, we would not know how to pray at all. Without them, we would be left entirely without prayer.

However, one does not have to do many prayers. It is better to perform a small number of prayers properly than to hurry through a large number of prayers, because it is difficult to maintain the heat of prayerful zeal when they are performed to excess.

I would consider the morning and evening prayers as set out in the prayer books to be entirely sufficient for you. Just try each time to carry them out with full attention and corresponding feelings. To be more successful at this, spend a little of your free time at reading over all the prayers separately. Think them over and feel them, so that when you recite them at your prayer rule, you will know the holy thoughts and feelings that are contained in them. Prayer does not mean that we just recite prayers, but that we assimilate their content within ourselves, and pronounce them as if they came from our minds and hearts.

After you have considered and felt the prayers, work at memorizing them. Then you will not have to fumble about for your prayer book and light when it is time to pray; neither will you be distracted by anything you see while you are performing your prayers, but can more easily maintain thoughtful petition toward God. You will see for yourself what a great help this is. The fact that you will have your prayer book with you at all times and in all places is of great significance.

Being thus prepared, when you stand at prayer be careful to keep your mind from drifting and your feeling from coldness and indifference, exerting yourself in every way to keep your attention and to spark warmth of feeling. After you have recited each prayer, make prostrations, as many as you like, accompanied by a prayer for any necessity that you feel, or by the usual short prayer. This will lengthen your prayer time a little, but its power will be increased. You should pray a little longer on your own especially at the end of your prayers, asking forgiveness for unintentional straying of the mind, and placing yourself in God's hands for the entire day.

You must also maintain prayerful attention toward God throughout the day. For this, as we have already mentioned more than once, there is remembrance of God; and for remembrance of God, there are short prayers. It is good, very good, to memorize several psalms and recite them while you are working or between tasks, doing this instead of short prayers sometimes, with concentration. This is one of the most ancient Christian customs, mentioned by and included in the rules of St. Pachomius and St. Anthony.

After spending the day in this manner, you must pray more diligently and with more concentration in the evening. Increase your prostrations and petitions to God, and after you have placed yourself in Divine hands once again, go to bed with a short prayer on your lips and fall asleep with it or recite some psalm.

Which psalms should you memorize? Memorize the ones that strike your heart as you are reading them. Each person will find different psalms to be more effective for himself. Begin with Have mercy on me, O God (Psalm 50); then Bless the Lord, O my soul (Psalm 102); and Praise the Lord, O my Soul (Psalm 145). These latter two are the antiphon hymns in the Liturgy. There are also the psalms in the Canon for Divine Communion: The Lord is my shepherd (Psalm 22); The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof (Psalm 23); I believed, wherefore I spake (Psalm 115); and the first psalm of the evening vigil, O God, be attentive unto helping me (Psalm 69). There are the psalms of the hours, and the like. Read the Psalter and select.

After you have memorized all of these, you will always be fully armed with prayer. When some disturbing thought occurs, rush to fall down before the Lord with either a short prayer or one of the psalms, especially O God, be attentive unto helping me, and the disturbing cloud will immediately disperse.

There you are; everything on the subject of a prayer rule. I will, however, mention once again that you should remember that all these are aids, and the most important thing is standing before God with the mind in the heart with devotion and heartfelt prostration to Him.

I thought of something else to tell you! You may limit the entire prayer rule just to prostrations with short prayers and prayer in your own words. Stand and make prostrations, saying Lord have mercy, or some other prayer, expressing your need or giving praise and thanks to God. You should establish either a number of prayers, or a time-limit for prayer, or do both, so that you do not become lazy.

This is necessary, because there is a certain incomprehensible peculiarity about us. When, for example, we go about some outward activity, hours pass as if they were a minute. When we stand at prayer, however, hardly have a few minutes gone by, and it seems that we have been praying for an extremely long time. This thought does not cause harm when we perform prayer according to an established rule; but when somebody prays and is just making prostrations with short prayers, it presents a great temptation. This can put a halt to prayer that has barely begun, leaving the false assurance that it has been done properly. Thus, the good practitioners of prayer came up with prayer ropes so that they would not be subject to this self-deception. Prayer ropes are suggested for use by those who desire to pray using their own prayers, not prayers from a prayer book. They are used as follows: Say Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner, and move one bead between your fingers. Repeat the prayer again and move another bead, and so on. Make a prostration during each repetition of the prayer, either a partial one from the waist or a full one to the ground, as you prefer; or, for small beads, make a prostration from the waist, and for large ones, a full one to the ground. The rule in all of this consists in having a definite number of prayer repetitions with prostrations to which are added other prayers in your own words. When deciding on the number of prostrations and prayers, establish a time limit, so that you do not deceive yourself as to haste when you perform them. If haste creeps in, you can fill up the time by making more prostrations.

How many prostrations should be done for each prayer is set down at the end of the Psalter with sequences in two categories, one for diligent people and the other for lazy or busy people. The elders now living among us in sketes or special kellia in places such as Valaam or Solovki serve the entire service according to this. If you would like to, now or some other time, you can perform your own prayer rule in this manner. Before you do this, however, get used to performing it in the manner prescribed for you. Perhaps you will not need a new rule. In any case, I am sending you a prayer rope. Try it! Note how much time you spend at morning and evening prayer, then sit down and say your short prayers with the prayer rope, and see how many times you go around the rope during the time usually required for your prayer. Let this quantity be the measure of your rule. Do this not during your usual prayer time, but at some other time, although do it with the same sort of attentiveness. The prayer rule, then, is carried out in this way, standing and making bows.

After reading this, do not think I am driving you into a monastery. I first heard about praying with a prayer rope from a lay person, not a monk. Many lay people and monastics pray in this way. It should be suitable for you, too. When you are praying with prayers that you have memorized and they do not move you, you may pray that day using the prayer rope, and do the memorized prayers another day. Thus, things will go better.

I will repeat once again that the essence of prayer is the lifting of the mind and heart to God; these little rules are an aid. We cannot get by without them because of our weakness. May the Lord bless you!

St Theophan the Recluse

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#331030 - 08/28/09 08:10 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Thanks, I missed these, though Alice has been doing a good job too.

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#331267 - 08/30/09 10:58 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: indigo]
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"God rests in holy places; that is (in) the Theotokos and all the Saints. These are they who have become likenesses of God as far as it is possible, since they have chosen to cooperate with divine election. Therefore, God dwells in them."

St. John of Damascus

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#331342 - 08/31/09 09:56 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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There are four forms of wisdom: first, moral judgment, or the knowledge of what should and should not be done, combined with watchfulness of the intellect; second, self-restraint, whereby our moral purpose is safeguarded and kept free from all acts, thoughts and words that do not accord with God; third, courage, or strength and endurance in sufferings, trials and temptations encountered on the spiritual path; and fourth, justice, which consists in maintaining a proper balance between the first three. These four general virtues arise from the three powers of the soul in the following manner: from the intelligence, or intellect, come moral judgment and justice, or discrimination; from the desiring power comes self-restraint; and from the incensive power comes courage.

St. Peter of Damaskos,"The Four Virtues of the Soul"

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#332046 - 09/09/09 11:42 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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If you see someone exalting himself and is arrogant about his abilities, know that even if he created great signs and resurrected the dead….he is being robbed by an evil spirit without realizing it. Even if he performs miracles — do not believe him because the sign of a Christian is to hide from others any gifts that God have deemed him worthy to receive.

Having the riches of a king, the Christian hides them as though to say: "These are not my riches, someone else put them there." If someone says " What I have acquired is sufficient for me, I don’t need any more," — he is already not a Christian but is in a state of delusion and has become an instrument of the devil.

Because rapture in God is insatiable, the extent of one’s savoring it and partaking of spiritual blessings is the measure by which the hunger for it is increased. Such people have a fervent and unstoppable love for God. The more they succeed and acquire, the more they acknowledge themselves as beggars.

St Macarius the Great

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#332131 - 09/10/09 10:26 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Each virtue lies between the unnatural passions. Moral judgment lies between craftiness and thoughtlessness; self-restraint, between obduracy and licentiousness; courage, between overbearingness and cowardice; justice between over-frugality and greed. The four virtues constitute an image of the heavenly man, while the eight unnatural passions constitute an image of the earthly man (see I Corinthians 15:49).

St. Peter of Damaskos,"The Four Virtues of the Soul"

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#341629 - 01/19/10 02:48 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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A life of fasting, properly understood as general self-limitation and abstinence, to the annual practice of which the Church always calls us with the Great Lent, is really that bearing of the cross and self-crucifixion which is required of us by our calling as Christians. And anyone who stubbornly resists this, wanting to live a carefree, happy, and free life, is concerned for sensual pleasures and avoids sorrow and suffering that person is not a Christian. Bearing one's cross is the natural way of every true Christian, without which there is no Christianity.

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#341659 - 01/19/10 08:18 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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We must be clearly aware of the kind of time in which we live. Indeed, only a spiritually blind one, or one who had already sold his soul to the enemies of our holy faith and Church, could fail to sense the spirit of the approaching Antichrist in everything which is now happening in the world. Of what sort of genuine union of all Christians in the spirit of Christian love can one speak now when the Truth is denied by almost everyone, when deceit is in control almost everywhere, when a genuinely spiritual life among people who call themselves Christians has dried up and been replaced by a carnal life, an animal life which has nonetheless been placed on a pedestal and concealed by the idea of pretended charity which hypocritically justifies any sort of spiritual excess, any sort of moral anarchy. Indeed it is from this that are derived all these numberless "entertainments," various kinds of "games," "dances" and amusements toward which, despite their immoral, anti-Christian nature, even my modern clergymen have a tolerant attitude, sometimes even organizing them themselves and participating in them.
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#342249 - 01/27/10 02:44 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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... avoid in all possible ways communion with people, who can be a temptation to you ... The wise Solomon calls a man wise, who fears and avoids the causes of sin; and he calls foolish a man who, with great self-reliance, confidently neglects to avoid them, saying: 'A wise man fears, and departs from evil: but the fool rages, and is confident'...(Prov. 14:16).

(Unseen Warfare: Chapter 19)

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#343462 - 02/13/10 10:39 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you; But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses (Matt. 6:14–15). What a simple and handy means of salvation! Your trespasses are forgiven under the condition that you forgive the trespasses of your neighbor against you. This means that you are in your own hands. Force yourself to pass from agitated feelings toward your brother to truly peaceful feelings—and that is all. Forgiveness day—what a great heavenly day of God this is! If all of us used it as we ought, this day would make Christian societies into heavenly societies, and the earth would merge with heaven.

St Theophan the Recluse

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#343865 - 02/18/10 06:26 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Fasting is wonderful, because it tramples our sins like a dirty weed, while it cultivates and raises truth like a flower.

St John Chrysostom

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#345029 - 03/10/10 10:39 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"You must kill egoism. If you don't kill it yourself, then the Lord, hammer-blow after hammer-blow, shall send various misfortunes, so as to crush this stone."

St. Feofan Zatvornik

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#345037 - 03/11/10 08:36 AM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Originally Posted By: Slavipodvizhnik
"You must kill egoism. If you don't kill it yourself, then the Lord, hammer-blow after hammer-blow, shall send various misfortunes, so as to crush this stone."

St. Feofan Zatvornik


Very, very profound.

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#345850 - 03/25/10 09:24 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"You must kill egoism. If you don't kill it yourself, then the Lord, hammer-blow after hammer-blow, shall send various misfortunes, so as to crush this stone."

St. Feofan Zatvornik


Fr. Corapi has said that the Lord is a Master Sculptor, He will make you in His Image and Likeness. Some of us are easy to sculpt like clay. The rest of us are as hard as marble and the Lord has to hammer and chisel away at us until we resemble His Image.

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#347499 - 05/02/10 04:10 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Dr. Eric]
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Originally Posted By: Slavipodvizhnik
"You must kill egoism. If you don't kill it yourself, then the Lord, hammer-blow after hammer-blow, shall send various misfortunes, so as to crush this stone."

St. Feofan Zatvornik


Fr. Corapi has said that the Lord is a Master Sculptor, He will make you in His Image and Likeness. Some of us are easy to sculpt like clay. The rest of us are as hard as marble and the Lord has to hammer and chisel away at us until we resemble His Image.


the marble applies to me frown it hurts

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#347894 - 05/10/10 08:31 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: ChaldeanCatholic]
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(God) only cuts short a man's life when He sees either that he is prepared to pass into eternity or that there is no hope for his correction.

Elder Ambrose of Optina


Christ is Risen!!

Brothers and Sisters:

I was looking for the link to the Optina Fathers series offered by Eighth Day books and came across this very profound comment by Elder Ambrose. I started to wonder if this holy man had the answer to the prayer Abba Anthony, the first monk, had in prayer when he wondered why some people live only a short time and others live to the edge of a very old age.

In any event, whenever I have had a close call--and there have been more than a few (especially with people driving me off the road while on their cell phones)--I've thought that I've been preserved to do one more thing for the Lord and for someone He would yet direct me to.

In Christ,

Bob


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#357963 - 01/12/11 09:22 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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He who suffers wrong and does not demand any reparation from the man who wronged him, trusts in Christ to make good the loss; and he is rewarded a hundredfold in this world and inherits eternal life (cf. Mk 10:30).

Saint Kosmas Aitolos +1779

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#358074 - 01/14/11 08:03 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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The mercy of God is hidden in sufferings not of our choice; and if we accept such sufferings patiently, they bring us to repentance and deliver us from everlasting punishment.

Saint Kosmas Aitolos +1779


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#358106 - 01/15/11 09:24 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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Fire cannot last long in water, nor can a shameful thought in a heart that loves God. For every man who loves God suffers gladly, and voluntary suffering is by nature the enemy of sensual pleasure.

Saint Kosmas Aitolos +1779
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#358112 - 01/16/11 06:05 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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We cannot with all our heart forgive someone who does us wrong unless we possess real knowledge. For this knowledge shows us that we deserve all we experience.

Saint Kosmas Aitolos +1779

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#358277 - 01/18/11 10:29 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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"The demons have also the following trick. They cry out the names of those whom they know to have none of the merits of holiness and to possess none of the fruits of the Spirit. They pretend to be burnt up by the merits of such people and to take flight from the bodies of the possessed.
Deuteronomy has this to say about such persons: 'If a prophet should arise among you or a man claiming visionary dreams, and if he foretells a sign and a portent, and if what he says should actually happen, and if he should say to you, "Let us go and follow strange gods who are unknown to you and let us serve them," do not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. For the Lord your God is putting you to the test, bringing out into the open whether or not you love Him with all your heart and with all your should (Deuteronomy 13: 1 - 3).

And in the gospel he says this: 'Fake Christs and fake prophets will rise up and they will perform great signs and wonders so that if possible even the chosen will be led into error' (Matthew 24:24).

St. John Cassian

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#358684 - 01/23/11 11:19 PM Re: Words from Optina [Re: Slavipodvizhnik]
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One man speaks the truth and is hated for it by the foolish; another speaks hypocritically and for this reason is loved. But in both cases their reward is not long delayed, for at the appropriate moment the Lord renders to each his due.


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