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Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral #218314
12/31/06 07:32 PM
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The Indian Catholic is reporting:
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December 30,2006
Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral

The Islamic Council of Spain has sent a letter to Pope Benedict XVI demanding that Muslims be allowed formal prayer at a Catholic cathedral in Cordoba, a city in Andalucía, southern Spain.



The leaders of the Muslim community of Spain have written a letter to Pope Benedict XVI demanding that their co-religionists be allowed to conduct formal prayer services at a Catholic church in Cordoba.

Bishop Juan José Asencio of Cordoba rejected the demand saying that such a move “would not contribute to peaceful coexistence between the different creeds” and that it would “merely generate confusion among the faithful and give way to indifferentism as to religion.”

The church in question, sometimes called the Cathedral-mosque of Cordoba, was indeed once a mosque for several centuries after the Muslim invasion of the 8th Century AD. After the Catholic Spaniards returned to the area in the 1200s, they found a mosque superimposed on what had once been a Visigoth Spanish church. Córdoba was a center of Islamic culture and power that rivaled even Damascus and was to color Spanish culture and language indelibly. Apologists for Islam and the Islamo-Moorish occupation of much of Spain during the Middle Ages frequently hark back to a mythical time of tolerance between the Catholic, Jewish, and Islamic faiths and when great cultural achievements were notable.

The cathedral is one of the most splendid works of architecture in Europe: thousands of visitors come each year to see the iconic Moorish arches and columns in its interior. Once the Catholic Spanish returned, a small church was built within the walls of the former mosque and has been used for Catholic worship for more than 700 years.

Bishop Asencio has proclaimed his respect for Muslims living within the midst of modern Spain. While he also “favors” the dialogue between the two faiths that is promoted by the Pope, he averred that joint usage of the church “would not contribute to the said dialogue.” While noting the repeated insistence on the part of “Spanish converts to Islam” for joint Christian/Muslim usage of the cathedral, the prelate noted that the church’s deanery “holds legitimate legal title to the Cathedral for its sole use by the Catholic Church"...


There is more to the story, please follow the link.

My thoughts:
Sure they can worship at the Cathedral as soon as Christians can worship in Saudi Arabia, Hagia Sophia, etc...


Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Ray S.] #218316
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Well no!

Once they hold a service in a Church or building, don't they consider it a mosque?

No, they can't worship in our Cathedrals!

Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Pani Rose] #218325
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I'm sorry, but all I can think of is "people in hell want ice water"

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Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Slavipodvizhnik] #218333
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lol!

Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Ray S.] #218339
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Neither should they for they desecrate holy places by false worship. the altar becomes profaned.
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Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Stephanos I] #218348
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Originally Posted by Stephanos I
Neither should they for they desecrate holy places by false worship. the altar becomes profaned.
Stephanos I


You mean like how the Anglicans celebrated, oops, I mean simulated 'Mass' at the High Altar at Santa Sabina in Rome last month

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Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Edward Yong] #218349
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Perhaps their request will have more weight, when they offer to give Hagia Sophia back to Orthodox Christian worship, and offer to share the Templum Domini (the Dome of the Rock?) in Jerusalem?

I would think that none of that is likely in the near future.

the unworthy,
Elias

Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Ray S.] #218351
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The Islamic Council of Spain has sent a letter to Pope Benedict XVI demanding


All I can say is, "What arrogance!!" It seems another example of militant Islam's claims that once a place is ruled by Moslems or a place is converted for Moslem worship it remains that way forever and if it ceases to be that way then Moslems have the duty to fight to the death to recover it.

I have to agree with those who have posted concerning Saudi Arabia and Hagia Sophia. If and when Christians can openly worship in countries now dominated by Moslems, then Christians can consider REQUESTS. But DEMANDS should always be met with a firm NO.

In Christ,

BOB

Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: theophan] #218363
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I don't know if this is off topic or not but when I vistied Toledo, Spain two years ago they took us to a "church" that at one time in the middle ages was a mosque, a synagogue, and a Church all at once. I can see where some musilms would think that they have a right to worship there because the Mezquita was once a mosque but it isn't anymore. My fellow posters are correct in saying that perhaps they should offer the Hagia Sophia in return and we would take them more seriously.

-Katie g

Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Katie g] #218369
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Spain is in desperate need of Ferdinand and Isabella again.

Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Lawrence] #218371
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Lawrence,

I couldn't agree with you more. It wasn't called the Golden Age for nothing.

Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Lawrence] #218375
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We are all in need of Ferdinand and Isabella again - but maybe this time make them Eastern Christians. smile

Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: byzanTN] #218377
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They are welcome to have formal worship now......
as Catholics. smile

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Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Edward Yong] #218383
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I stand in oppostion to such practices. I think it was an near abomination in Assisi several years ago. Such practices profane Christian altars.
Stephanos I

Re: Muslims in Spain want worship at Cathedral [Re: Lawrence] #218386
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Originally Posted by Lawrence

Spain is in desperate need of Ferdinand and Isabella again.


As is almost all of Western Europe.

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