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#220738 - 01/21/07 09:04 PM Re: Revised Divine Liturgy Presentation [Re: MarkosC]
ByzKat Offline
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Registered: 06/22/04
Posts: 840
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
Dear Markos,

No, there is nothing particularly unusual - now. Back in the 1970's, probably due to the sense that "Orthodox" was a name proper to churches NOT in communion with Rome, the Greek Catholic churches often found other terms to use; for example, the first Sunday of the Fast was titled "Commemoration of the Holy Images" or somesuch, and so on.

Over the past decade or so, we are continuing to see more and more official and semi-official texts in the Byzantine Catholic Church use the word Orthodox. Since a previous poster stated that "Orthodox" was a dirty word, I felt it was appropriate to point out that recent publications now use it - just not in all the places where they might. (For example, while I WISH that the phrase "Orthodox Christians" was commonly understood to refer to the worldwide apostolic Church, it ends up assuming a more limited sense when actually used. For example, "How many Orthodox Christians are on this list?" - a count that included Greek Catholics would probably be questioned as inaccurate by quite a number of people here.)

Dear J-D,

I know what I've seen used at the Metropolitan Cantor Institute, which a number of clergy have attended as well, and also asked Professor Thompson (on the Music Commission) whether the title "Sunday of Orthodoxy" would be used in the new books, as it has been for the two years we have been posting Vespers and Matins propers on the MCI website, and he responded in the affirmative.

Since a claim was made (without a wink) that "Orthodoxy is a dirty word", I felt it appropriate to point out that its use is spreading, even if it is not used everywhere it ought to be.

I certainly would prefer it if more information had been provided to clergy AND cantors, but I have seen enough false statements on this forum over the past two years that muddied otherwise serious discussions, that I felt obliged to comment in this case.

Yours in Christ,
Jeff Mierzejewski

P.S. The new Ukrainian anthology uses not "Orthodox Christians", but "orthodox Christians" - which can certainly be understood to include those in communion with both Constantinople/Moscow and Rome. In my personal judgment, this is in fact the best solution.

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#220744 - 01/21/07 09:25 PM Re: Revised Divine Liturgy Presentation [Re: John Damascene]
Stephanie Kotyuh Offline
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Registered: 09/22/06
Posts: 183
Loc: Medina, OH
Quote:
This Revised Divine Liturgy is very bad. It must be opposed.


My parish priest today said that it is a sin to oppose the new Divine Liturgy. Is he correct?

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#220746 - 01/21/07 09:27 PM Re: Revised Divine Liturgy Presentation [Re: Stephanie Kotyuh]
Slavipodvizhnik Offline
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Registered: 07/23/05
Posts: 2436
Loc: The Third Rome
Your priest sinned by saying that.

"To all things innovated and enacted contrary to the Church tradition, teaching, and institution of the holy and ever-memorable fathers, or to anything henceforth so enacted, ANATHEMA." From the Synodicon of the Holy Spirit (to be read on the second day of Pentecost

Alexandr

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#220753 - 01/21/07 09:47 PM Re: Revised Divine Liturgy Presentation [Re: Monomakh]
John K Offline
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Registered: 11/15/01
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Loc: Rocky Hill, CT
Originally Posted By: Monomakh
Originally Posted By: Stephanie Kotyuh
Someone just pointed out that date happens to be the Sunday of Orthodoxy.


No, no, no, no, no!

Aren't you with it?!

It is the Sunday of True Faith! wink

Orthodoxy is a dirty word, now go and run ten laps.

Monomakh


No--it's the "Sunday of the Holy Images." Get it right! wink

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#220756 - 01/21/07 10:33 PM Re: Revised Divine Liturgy Presentation [Re: John K]
Wondering Offline
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Registered: 08/27/05
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Loc: USA
New thread being started on if it is a sin to oppose the liturgy.

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#220757 - 01/21/07 10:36 PM Re: Revised Divine Liturgy Presentation [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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Registered: 03/15/06
Posts: 621
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Originally Posted By: Serge Keleher
I've always wanted to invite all the Protestant clergy in town to come on Sunday of Orthodoxy. We shall announce a massive ecumenical service - then instruct the guests that the ecumenical service will culminate in a solemn recessional; as your name is called please join the line exiting the temple while the chanters intone a special acclamation in your honor! Vicious of me, isn't it?

Fr. Serge


Great Idea Father! Please don't limit your invitation to Revisionists in Dublin, also invite the Revisionists from the Metroplia of Pittsburgh.

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#220765 - 01/21/07 11:48 PM Re: Revised Divine Liturgy Presentation [Re: InCogNeat3's]
Fr. Deacon Lance Offline
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Registered: 08/29/98
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With all the disrepect, contempt, and sarcasm issued forth on this thread and others is it any wonder the hierarchs don't/won't listen to you? You could all take a lesson from our esteemed Admin. John who while disagreeing with the revision has always maintained respect for and charity towards the hierarchs, IELC, and Seminary. All you've done is make it harder for those who would speak on your behalf to the above.
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#220769 - 01/22/07 12:18 AM Re: Revised Divine Liturgy Presentation [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance]
Father Anthony Offline

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Registered: 02/16/05
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I am also going to second Deacon Lance's post. While many disagree with the issue of the revision, and may even be upset by it, name-calling does not help the issue. You can respectfully disagree with anyone, and most times when done in the manner of respect and Christian charity, carries your point further than downright insults. I hope that all follow this. We are supposed to be adult Christians, not school children in a disagreement.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
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#220849 - 01/22/07 02:35 PM Re: Revised Divine Liturgy Presentation [Re: Father Anthony]
Etnick Offline
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Registered: 11/12/02
Posts: 1175
Loc: West of Johnstown
Getting back to the point of this thread, does anybody plan on attending? I wont be able to, but please share your thoughts on it if you do go.

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