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#221520 - 01/27/07 05:42 AM
Vladyka JOHN (Kudrick) on the NDL
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http://www.parma.org/bishop.htm#VoiceVoice of the Shepherd The New Edition of the Divine Liturgy In the mid-1990s, under the leadership of Metropolitan Judson Procyk, our church began a new look at ourselves with an eye to the future. One aspect was to review our celebration of the Divine Liturgy, to assure that the way we worship is faithful to Byzantine Catholic spirituality and theology and is welcoming to persons of 21st century America. A complete program of revising texts and music and producing modern catechetical materials was envisioned. A commission, representing all four eparchies, completed an extensive review and editing, which was then revised and approved by the Council of Hierarchs. The approved text was presented to the Holy See of Rome for its comments and recognition. This long process was interrupted by the death of Metropolitan Judson. But now, over 10 years later, the church is prepared to present this new edition. Last year, our eparchy presented the “Heaven on Earth” seminar, to help us direct our attention to the Divine Liturgy. At that seminar, we were reminded, if not informed, of the many “why’s” of our Byzantine Catholic eucharistic worship. The seminar draws from the teaching of the early Church Fathers and from recent documents. One very important document that provided principles used to produce this new edition came from the Second Vatican Council’s “Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy.” In that document, we are reminded that the Liturgy is both for those of faith and for all. It is an eternal action witnessed by us in our own time and place. No one should feel excluded. The structure of the Liturgy must assure “that fully conscious, and active participation in liturgical celebrations which is demanded by the very nature of the liturgy” (#14), as together, clergy and laity, we form the body of Christ. Although certain parts are designated for the clergy, they are intended to benefit all present (#33). “… it is essential to promote that warm and living love for Scripture to which the venerable tradition of both eastern and western rites gives testimony” (#24). The various roles of persons within the Liturgy are to be respected. Priests, deacons, concelebrants, cantors, etc., together with all the laity, must exercise within their particular vocation to holiness (#28, 29). The language of the Liturgy is to be such that it is easily understood (#34). Change is never easy; those who remember the introduction of English will attest to that. To help with the transition, the various inter-eparchial commissions have produced a number of tools: publications for clergy, cantors and people; audio recordings of the new edition set to our chant; video recordings of the celebration and also of a catechetical session. It is my personal hope that we will take a positive attitude and sincerely make an effort to adapt to the changes. Let’s not let disagreement on words or rubrics weaken our unity. With this unity, our church will continue to realize for years to come the blessings of the awesomeness of our Liturgy.
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#221545 - 01/27/07 10:46 AM
Re: Vladyka JOHN (Kudrick) on the NDL
[Re: Carson Daniel]
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I would certainly like to see this "Heaven on Earth" presentation. I keep hearing about it but where is it? It is my understanding that the "Heaven on Earth" seminar deals with a good deal more than the wording of the liturgy. Does anyone know if this is true?
CDL It went about last year, didn't it? I got a mailing on it before I was dropped from the Eparchial list. Michael
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#221551 - 01/27/07 11:05 AM
Re: Vladyka JOHN (Kudrick) on the NDL
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Downward spiral?
Ungcsertezs I hesitate to say. Perhaps now that Vladyka John has taken his stand along with the synod he will also be prepared to use economy on a case-by-case basis, for the spiritual welbeing of those "challenged" by the changes. Michael
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#221611 - 01/27/07 09:56 PM
Re: Vladyka JOHN (Kudrick) on the NDL
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I would certainly like to see this "Heaven on Earth" presentation. I keep hearing about it but where is it? It is my understanding that the "Heaven on Earth" seminar deals with a good deal more than the wording of the liturgy. Does anyone know if this is true?
CDL It went about last year, didn't it? I got a mailing on it before I was dropped from the Eparchial list. Michael I never saw it. I didn't even hear about it until after Father told me he was in a discussion about it. Does a text exist anywhere? CDL
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#221635 - 01/28/07 08:27 AM
Re: Vladyka JOHN (Kudrick) on the NDL
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Heaven on Earth was offered in Munster, Ind., about a year ago. It was offered again in Homer Glen, Ill., within the past six months. There are advantages to paying attention. How did I miss it? Don't let Father know. (wink, wink) CDL
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#221703 - 01/29/07 08:02 AM
Re: Vladyka JOHN (Kudrick) on the NDL
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Here is paragragh 23 of the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy 23. That sound tradition may be retained, and yet the way remain open to legitimate progress Careful investigation is always to be made into each part of the liturgy which is to be revised. This investigation should be theological, historical, and pastoral. Also the general laws governing the structure and meaning of the liturgy must be studied in conjunction with the experience derived from recent liturgical reforms and from the indults conceded to various places. Finally, there must be no innovations unless the good of the Church genuinely and certainly requires them; and care must be taken that any new forms adopted should in some way grow organically from forms already existing.
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#221704 - 01/29/07 08:03 AM
Re: Vladyka JOHN (Kudrick) on the NDL
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By the way, I feel excluded...but I guess that's OK.
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#221726 - 01/29/07 01:11 PM
Re: Vladyka JOHN (Kudrick) on the NDL
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Here is Pope Benedict on the Divine Liturgy. I think this was written before he became Pope. We Experienced That There God Dwells With Men
1. An ancient legend about the origins of Christianity in Russia relates that when Prince Vladimir of Kiev was in search of the true religion for his people, there came before him, one after another, the representatives of Islam from Bulgaria, the representatives of Judaism, and the envoys of the Pope from Germany. Each proposed their faith as the right one and the best of all. It is said, however, the Prince remained dissatisfied. He only reached a decision, the story goes, when his own envoys came back from Constantinople, where they had attended a solemn liturgy in the Church of Santa Sophia. They were full of enthusiasm, the legend says, and said to the Prince: "When we came to the country of the Greeks, we were brought to where they celebrate the liturgy for their God... We do not know if we were in heaven or on earth... We experienced that there God dwells among men..." This story is, as it stands, certainly not historical. The adherence of the "Rus" to Christianity and the definitive decision to associate itself with Byzantium occurred through a long and complex process, the main outlines of which modern scholars feel they have been able to retrace with some exactitude. But, as always, this legend carries within it a profound nucleus of truth. In fact, the inner power of the liturgy, without a doubt, played an essential role in the spread of Christianity. Even beyond this general connection between liturgy and mission, however, the legend of the liturgical origin of Russia's conversion to Christianity tells us something even more specific about the inner connection between the liturgy and Christian mission. THE BYZANTINE LITURGY WAS NOT "MISSIONARY"
In fact, the Byzantine liturgy which so moved the Russian visitors in search of God, was not in and of itself, missionary. It was not an interpretation of the faith addressed to those on the outside, to non-believers, but was rooted entirely within the faith. In the Acts of the Apostles, there is a passing reference to the fact that St. Paul celebrated the Eucharist with the Christians of Troas "in the upper chamber" (Acts 20:8). The early Christians connected this "upper chamber" in a way that seemed to them entirely obvious with the fact that the disciples, together with Mary, waited in prayer and received the Holy Spirit in the upper room (Acts 1:13) after the ascension of the Lord. This upper room in its turn was identified--and this was historically correct--with the room of the Last Supper, in which Jesus had celebrated the first Eucharist with the Twelve. The upper room became the symbol of the internal gathering of the faithful, of the capacity of the Eucharist to enable one to transcend ordinary daily habits. The upper room thus came to express the "mystery of the faith" (1 Tim 3:9; cf 3:16), at the center of which stands the Eucharist. The Roman liturgy inserted this acclamation "the mystery of the faith" into the narration of the institution of the sacrament. In so doing, the Church made the acclamation a constitutive part of the central Eucharistic event. In this way, the Church correctly interpreted the primitive Christian heritage: the Eucharistic liturgy, as such, is not directed toward the non-believer, but, as a Mystery, presupposes an "initiation": only someone who has entered into the mystery with his life can participate in it; someone who knows Christ from the outside only, like "the people," whose opinions Peter refers to the Lord near Caesarea Philippi just before his Christological confession (Mark 8:28), cannot participate in it. Only he can communicate with Christ in the Sacrament who, in the communion of faith, has already reached a profound agreement and understanding with Him. Let us return to our legend. What persuaded the envoys of the Russian Prince that the faith celebrated in the Orthodox liturgy was true was not a type of missionary argumentation whose elements appeared more enlightening to listeners than those of other religions. Rather, what struck them was the mystery as such, the mystery which, precisely by going beyond all discussion, caused the power of the truth to shine forth to the reason. Put in a different way, the Byzantine liturgy was not a way of teaching doctrine and was not intended to be. It was not a display of the Christian faith in a way acceptable or attractive to onlookers. What impressed onlookers about the liturgy was precisely its utter lack of an ulterior purpose, the fact that it was celebrated for God and not for spectators, that its sole intent was to be before God and for God "euarestos euprosdektos" (Romans 12:1; 15:16): pleasing and acceptable to God, as the sacrifice of Abel had been pleasing to God. Precisely this "disinterest" of standing before God and of looking toward Him was what caused a divine light to descend on what was happening and caused that divine light to be perceptible even to onlookers. We have, in this way, already reached a first important conclusion regarding the liturgy. To speak, as has been common since the 1950s, of a "missionary liturgy" is at the very least an ambiguous and problematic way of speaking. In many circles of liturgists, this has led, in a truly excessive way, to making the instructive element in the liturgy, the effort to make it understandable even for outsiders, the primary criterion of the liturgical form. The idea that the choice of liturgical forms must be made from the "pastoral" point of view suggests the presence of this same anthropocentric error. Thus the liturgy is celebrated entirely for men and women, it serves to transmit information--in so far as this is possible in view of the weariness which has entered the liturgy due to the rationalisms and banalities involved in this approach. In this view, the liturgy is an instrument for the construction of a community, a method of "socialization" among Christians. Where this is so, perhaps God is still spoken of, but God in reality has no role; it is a matter only of meeting people and their needs halfway and of making them contented. But precisely this approach ensures that no faith is fostered, for the faith has to do with God, and only where His nearness is made present, only where human aims are set aside in favor of the reverential respect due to Him, only there is born that credibility which prepares the way for faith. It is not necessary for us here to take into consideration all the various ways and possibilities of mission, which certainly must often begin with very simple human contacts, always illuminated by enough at present to affirm that the Eucharist as such is not immediately oriented toward the missionary reawakening of the faith. The Eucharist is located rather within the faith and nourishes it; it gazes primarily upon God and attracts men and women by means of this gaze. It attracts them through the divine condescension, which becomes their ascension into communion with God. The liturgy seeks to please God, and to lead men and women to consider pleasing God also the criterion of their lives. And, from this point of view, the liturgy is certainly and in a very profound sense the origin of mission.
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