Newest Members
Cavaradossi, Roman Interloper, ftbond, NitaMacdonald1930, SOL, etomaria, Kostyantyn, Benny, Ivanov325, DocH, andria, Joe Smith, CanuckK8, AJG80, gzt
4464 Registered Users
Who's Online
10 registered (Peter J, Irish Melkite, StuartK, Curious Joe, Sbdn. John, antv, Deacon El, 3 invisible), 210 Guests and 3 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
Pascha Dublin 2012
Centennial of the Eparchy of Hajdudorog
Hierarchial Divine Liturgy at Holy Trinity Cathedral OCA SF
OLF: What a difference a day makes...
Easter Sunday - Pascha - Velik Den- St. Michael's, Binghamton,NY
Forum Stats
4464 Members
26 Forums
30150 Topics
373661 Posts

Max Online: 1087 @ 07/16/07 01:09 PM
Topic Options
#225971 - 03/07/07 09:47 PM A Potentially New Approach...
Uspenije Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/25/07
Posts: 26
Loc: Kentucky
Glory to Jesus Christ!

Rather than writing epistle after epistle demanding that the bishop rescind his previous statements, perhaps you would consider a few points:

1) He has spent nearly a decade working upon this. He is unlikely to revoke due to several epistles.

2) He truly believes that this is in the best interest of the Church. This holds the same result.

I propose, therefore, a compromise. Why not ask the bishop to revoke the mandate, and the exclusive nature of his proclaimation. Allow both versions of the rite to be celebrated, side-by-side. If the new rite is truly the better, then certainly it would overtake the old one; this is a measure of merit. Then, perhaps, after a few years of rumination, he might be inclined to revoke the decision entirely.

Just a humble thought of an insignificant man.

-Uspenije

Top
#225999 - 03/08/07 02:02 AM Re: A Potentially New Approach... [Re: Uspenije]
Etnick Offline
Member

Registered: 11/12/02
Posts: 1175
Loc: West of Johnstown
Originally Posted By: Uspenije
Glory to Jesus Christ!

Rather than writing epistle after epistle demanding that the bishop rescind his previous statements, perhaps you would consider a few points:

1) He has spent nearly a decade working upon this. He is unlikely to revoke due to several epistles.

2) He truly believes that this is in the best interest of the Church. This holds the same result.

I propose, therefore, a compromise. Why not ask the bishop to revoke the mandate, and the exclusive nature of his proclaimation. Allow both versions of the rite to be celebrated, side-by-side. If the new rite is truly the better, then certainly it would overtake the old one; this is a measure of merit. Then, perhaps, after a few years of rumination, he might be inclined to revoke the decision entirely.

Just a humble thought of an insignificant man.

-Uspenije


Nobody told the powers that be to spend a tenth of a century and countless dollars to fix something that isn't broken. They did this themselves.

Just modify what is there. Make the '65 Liturgicon mandatory and everyone SHOULD be happy. Didn't Vatican II and JPII suggest this?

Etnick... Your Pravoslavny Christian...

Top
#226018 - 03/08/07 10:56 AM Re: A Potentially New Approach... [Re: Etnick]
Athanasius The L Offline
AthanasiusTheLesser
Member

Registered: 06/29/06
Posts: 1140
Loc: Houston, TX
I don't have a firm opinion as to which version of the Divine Liturgy I personallly prefer. I am still new to the BCC. I have not studied the issue enough-I just don't think I'm well enough informed to advocate one way or the other. However, I do agree with what the Administrator has said in the past: "It's never to late to do the right thing." So, if it is indeed the case that this revision is the wrong thing for the Church, the fact that ten years of work went into it is not a good enough reason to justify its use.

Ryan

Top
#226047 - 03/08/07 01:25 PM Re: A Potentially New Approach... [Re: Athanasius The L]
nicholas Offline
Member

Registered: 05/13/03
Posts: 678
Loc: u.s.a.
Originally Posted By: Athanasius The L
I don't have a firm opinion as to which version of the Divine Liturgy I personallly prefer. Ryan


I do have a firm opinion. I prefer the Ruthenian Recension, all of it. Without abbreviations, alterations, invented rubrics, or inclusive language.

I am not sure I like the idea of two books co-existing side by side. One corrupted revised one, and one unrevised, whole and traditional. I think that would not be good. But it would be better than the present situation, where in June, the traditional Liturgy will be forbidden. That is tearing me up.

My pastor won't even talk about the new Liturgy, and when we ask him what he is going to do, he just turns and walks away. I hope he has the strength to leave us in peace, with the Liturgy we love.

Pray for him.

Nick

Top
#226062 - 03/08/07 03:16 PM Re: A Potentially New Approach... [Re: nicholas]
Uspenije Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/25/07
Posts: 26
Loc: Kentucky
I realise the compromise is not ideal; I too would prefer rescinding the revisions. I merely point out that attempting a compromise is likely to have a more fruitful result for the short term, and is thus more likely to succeed in the long term.

Top
#226064 - 03/08/07 03:40 PM Re: A Potentially New Approach... [Re: Uspenije]
Apotheoun Offline
Member

Registered: 03/25/05
Posts: 2358
Loc: SF Bay Area, CA
I offer my heartfelt gratitude to all those who have the strength to fight for the full implementation of the Ruthenian Recension (i.e., without the use of inclusive language) within the Byzantine Church, but I have decided -- for the sake of my own spiritual well being -- to simply avoid attending Church services at the local Ruthenian parish. I now happily attend divine liturgy at a Melkite Church once a month, and an OCA parish the rest of the time.

Top
#226104 - 03/08/07 09:40 PM Re: A Potentially New Approach... [Re: Uspenije]
InCogNeat3's Offline
Member

Registered: 03/15/06
Posts: 621
Loc: UNDER THE PANTOCRATOR
Originally Posted By: Uspenije
Glory to Jesus Christ!

Rather than writing epistle after epistle demanding that the bishop rescind his previous statements, perhaps you would consider a few points:

1) He has spent nearly a decade working upon this. He is unlikely to revoke due to several epistles.

2) He truly believes that this is in the best interest of the Church. This holds the same result.

I propose, therefore, a compromise. Why not ask the bishop to revoke the mandate, and the exclusive nature of his proclaimation. Allow both versions of the rite to be celebrated, side-by-side. If the new rite is truly the better, then certainly it would overtake the old one; this is a measure of merit. Then, perhaps, after a few years of rumination, he might be inclined to revoke the decision entirely.

Just a humble thought of an insignificant man.

-Uspenije


The Divine Liturgies of Sts. John Chrysostom and Basil the Great have conflicting purposes with the RDL promulgated by the Ruthenian Bishops. The Divine Liturgies of Sts. John Chrysostom and Basil the Great have the purpose of Theosis, union with God. The Church Service promulgated by the Ruthenian Bishops is a mockery of the Divine Liturgies of Sts. John Chrysostom and Basil the Great and has union with the world as its purpose. The Rusyn Recension and the RDL are mutually exclusive.

"If the new rite is truly the better, then certainly it would overtake the old one; this is a measure of merit. Then, perhaps, after a few years of rumination, he might be inclined to revoke the decision entirely."

Not so. The Roman Catholic Tridentine Mass is Holy and truly better than the Novus Ordo Missae. Yet, the Novus Ordo rapidly overtook the Tridentine Mass even though the Tridentine Mass was never "Officially" banned.



Edited by InCogNeat3's (03/08/07 09:40 PM)

Top
#226112 - 03/08/07 11:21 PM Re: A Potentially New Approach... [Re: InCogNeat3's]
Father Anthony Offline

Administrator
Member

Registered: 02/16/05
Posts: 3404
Loc: New York
This thread has gone from a new approach to something from a respectful disagreement with the hierarchy and the possibility of addressing the concern to outright disrespect of the hierarchs. This is not the place the for that kind of post. Though you may disagree with the promulgation, insults and disrespect will serve no purpose in the possibility of reversing anything, but may the issue rather concrete.

This thread is thereby being closed. I remind posters that they should seriously think in how they post concerning this. Blatant disrespect serves no cause, and only diminishes the purpose of your intent.

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+
Administrator
_________________________
Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai

Top



Moderator:  Father Anthony 

The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. Contents copyright - 1996-2012. All rights reserved.