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#227608 - 03/21/07 04:22 AM Physical Size of new books
Matthew Katona Offline
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The current book holders on our pews are not long enough to fit two of the new green books side by side. Does any other Parish have the problem?

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#227623 - 03/21/07 07:59 AM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Matthew Katona]
Edward Yong Offline
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There is, of course, a solution, but courtesy prevents me from saying it.

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#227633 - 03/21/07 09:18 AM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Matthew Katona]
John K Offline
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Just put'em at the end of the pew.

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#227656 - 03/21/07 12:22 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: John K]
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Put one people's book and one hymn book side by side then.

Or put it in the narthex for pick up.

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#227661 - 03/21/07 12:34 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Wondering]
Matthew Katona Offline
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JohnK: Yes, that is what we are doing. But I am asking if any other Churchs have this problem also.

Wondering: We have only one book, the people's book. There is no hymn.

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#227664 - 03/21/07 12:57 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Matthew Katona]
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Matthew,

Then your cantor or some interested parishioners should put together a hymn book! Since it isn't yet made, you have the opportunity to make it the perfect dimensions for the space. smile

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#227671 - 03/21/07 01:12 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Edward Yong]
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ROFL biggrin biggrin

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#227679 - 03/21/07 01:49 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Matthew Katona]
Andrew J Offline
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Loc: Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: Matthew Katona
The current book holders on our pews are not long enough to fit two of the new green books side by side. Does any other Parish have the problem?

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http://www.stmichaelstoledo.org
Please do your parish a favor. Take the books out of the pews and burn them. We should not have to suffer because the Archbishop made a $1,000.000 dollar mistake in printing them.

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#227681 - 03/21/07 02:05 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Andrew J]
Edward Yong Offline
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Since someone else said it first... I can chuckle.

Do your parish a second favour - burn the pews too!

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#227697 - 03/21/07 03:19 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Andrew J]
John K Offline
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Loc: Rocky Hill, CT
Originally Posted By: Andrew J
Originally Posted By: Matthew Katona
The current book holders on our pews are not long enough to fit two of the new green books side by side. Does any other Parish have the problem?

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http://www.stmichaelstoledo.org
Please do your parish a favor. Take the books out of the pews and burn them. We should not have to suffer because the Archbishop made a $1,000.000 dollar mistake in printing them.


Where are you getting the information from that proves $1,000,000 was spent on the revision of the D/L? I'm tired of hearing this over and over again with nothing to back it up. What are you privy to at the Chancery that the rest of the church is not?

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#227703 - 03/21/07 03:28 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: John K]
Orthodox Pyrohy Offline
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Well with all the other problems in the world far greater than wheter or not your holders on your pews can accomodate the new books......
why not do what they do in many of the RC churches around here.
They keep a stack of missalettes at the ends. People pass them down the line. No worries.
Burning the pews isn't the answer. You'd have to strip the varnish first so that you don't release toxic fumes.

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#227705 - 03/21/07 03:45 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: John K]
Andrew J Offline
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Loc: Pennsylvania
Originally Posted By: John K
Originally Posted By: Andrew J
Originally Posted By: Matthew Katona
The current book holders on our pews are not long enough to fit two of the new green books side by side. Does any other Parish have the problem?

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http://www.stmichaelstoledo.org
Please do your parish a favor. Take the books out of the pews and burn them. We should not have to suffer because the Archbishop made a $1,000.000 dollar mistake in printing them.
Where are you getting the information from that proves $1,000,000 was spent on the revision of the D/L? I'm tired of hearing this over and over again with nothing to back it up. What are you privy to at the Chancery that the rest of the church is not?

No one is making a secret about the money that has been spent. The people at the seminary talk about it as $1,000,000 well spent.

Do the math.

$12 per pew book x 75,000 books = $900,000
$30 per altar book x 500 books (2 per parish) = $30,000
Repeat that again for the Basil Liturgy Book
This doesn't include extra copies.

The $1,000,000 is conservative. It does not include the money spent revising the liturgy and preparing the new books let alone travel and video production and paying Roman Catholic choirs to sing the new music. That could easily be another million $$.

I am scandalized at the waste of good money on a project that has been shown to chase people away from the church.

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#227710 - 03/21/07 04:08 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Andrew J]
John K Offline
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Originally Posted By: Andrew J
No one is making a secret about the money that has been spent. The people at the seminary talk about it as $1,000,000 well spent.

Do the math.

$12 per pew book x 75,000 books = $900,000
$30 per altar book x 500 books (2 per parish) = $30,000
Repeat that again for the Basil Liturgy Book
This doesn't include extra copies.

The $1,000,000 is conservative. It does not include the money spent revising the liturgy and preparing the new books let alone travel and video production and paying Roman Catholic choirs to sing the new music. That could easily be another million $$.

I am scandalized at the waste of good money on a project that has been shown to chase people away from the church.


75,000 pew books? Really? Did you see the invoices from the printer? Hate to tell you, but the parishes were required to pay for the pew books, they were not given out. We had a special "appeal" to cover the cost at my parish. I'm sure that other parishes did as well. I saw several church bulletins that were selling bookplates for the inside front covers for the names of those the book is offered in memory of.

We can't pay all our bills, but we had to pay for new pew books!

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#227720 - 03/21/07 05:13 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: John K]
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My parish is one of the larger ones in the Archeparchy, we bought 100 books.

The entire Metroploia has about 240 parishes and missions. So if every parish/mission bought 2 Liturgikons and 100 pew books, which is an over estitmation, that comes to around $300,000. A large amount but a far cry from $1 million.

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#227722 - 03/21/07 05:26 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Fr. Deacon Lance]
Diak Offline
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These costs listed in the above post do not factor in the direct or indirect costs of the commission, who I doubt did this all gratis, nor the costs of the typesetting, musical setting and compilation, which most likely were not free. Some of us work in sectors where our budgets and expenditures are required to be transparent. I would hope the Church would not be afraid to do the same with the precious resources given by the faithful.

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#227733 - 03/21/07 06:24 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Diak]
Orthodox Pyrohy Offline
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Wasn't this post about the size of the pewbook and not the total cost due to the Metropolia/eparchies? Just curious.

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#227744 - 03/21/07 08:02 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Orthodox Pyrohy]
Matthew Katona Offline
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Post edited to remove offensive and vulgar language.

Post was also uncharitable.

Poster suspended for 30 days.


Edited by Administrator (03/21/07 08:20 PM)
Edit Reason: Offensive Language

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#227745 - 03/21/07 08:16 PM Re: Physical Size of new books [Re: Matthew Katona]
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