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#232046 - 04/25/07 08:20 PM
Re: Al Gore is Secretly Planning to Run!
[Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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Reminds me vaguely of a dinner I attended during the Philadelphia Eucharistic Congress (good grief! that was over 30 years ago!). Somebody offered a toast to the then President, whoever he was, and I silently passed my wine glass over the water tumbler before taking a sip of wine. Father, bless. What does that ritual mean ? -- John
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#232049 - 04/25/07 08:25 PM
Re: Al Gore is Secretly Planning to Run!
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Hmm-mmm ! But who would be your running mate? And would you be running on a monarchist platform ? I nominate myself as Alexander's running mate!
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#232066 - 04/25/07 09:33 PM
Re: Al Gore is Secretly Planning to Run!
[Re: harmon3110]
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Passing one's wine glass over the water glass indicates that one is drinking a toast "To the King over the water" - hence to the Stuart Claimant. Reddeat!
Fr. Serge
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#232071 - 04/25/07 09:53 PM
Re: Al Gore is Secretly Planning to Run!
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I am totally not into politics anymore, but I will say this: as one born and raised in New York city, and still living in New York, albeit in its suburbs, Rudy Giuliani holds a very special, emotional place in my heart and the New York blood which runs strongly through my veins. His exemplary leadership as former Mayor of our city is something which will never be forgotten, before, during and after 9/11. Many New Yorkers were hoping that he could somehow stay on past his term as Mayor.
Granted, his personal life is not exemplary, but then again, neither was former Pres. Clinton, and he was loved by many. Then again, President George Bush, whose family and spiritual life are admirable, is not greatly loved. So, could it be that Americans, who, on a whole, are no longer the family persons of high morality, and strict family values of the 1950's (which left little tolerance for any deviations such as extra-marital affairs, divorce, etc.), don't really care about such matters in their politicians anymore anyway? *confused*
Alice
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#232072 - 04/25/07 09:54 PM
Re: Al Gore is Secretly Planning to Run!
[Re: Father Borislav]
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I'm curious. Does anyone know which candidates are most aligned with the current Neo-Conservative ideology behind the current administration? I'm curious if any of the Republican candidates plan on promoting the ideology of Cheney, "Scooter" Libby, Rove, Wolfowitz, the Bushes, and company.
Joe
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#232077 - 04/25/07 10:09 PM
Re: Al Gore is Secretly Planning to Run!
[Re: Wondering]
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I think that you are likely right. Well, the pro-choice and pro-gay marriage bit isn't good. But the distancing from the economic and foreign policy agenda of the neoconservative ideologues is a great thing. So, I take some comfort in knowing that no matter who is president in 2009, at least it won't be any of the Bushes.
Joe
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#232079 - 04/25/07 10:21 PM
Re: Al Gore is Secretly Planning to Run!
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For all the criticism of foreign policy and this war (which was incidentally, fully backed by the Clintons at the time), I read something in Newsweek a couple of weeks ago which really got me thinking.
Newsweek wrote up stories on a group of soldiers. Some are sadly, not with us any longer, and some of the other brave young men still are. They were all inspirational stories and I thought that it is really grossly unfair not to support the efforts of these young men. (At the time I was leaning towards negative feelings about this whole war) Then again, there are those who question exactly what those 'efforts' might be for...One soldier put it best in a letter to his family: he said that he was glad to be fighting suicide bombers on THEIR soil, rather than our own!!
May God have mercy on all of us, Democrat, Republican, pro-war, anti-war, Bush hater or Bush lover, IF that demonic scourge EVER appears on our soil, we will never live freely AGAIN as we do now. We may remember the words of that young man, and chide ourselves for being so politically opinionated...because politics of any leaning won't help us then!!!
Just some random thoughts---
Alice, back into silence
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#232082 - 04/25/07 10:26 PM
Re: Al Gore is Secretly Planning to Run!
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For all the criticism of foreign policy and this war (which was incidentally, fully backed by the Clintons at the time), I read something in Newsweek a couple of weeks ago which really got me thinking. Newsweek wrote up stories on a group of soldiers. Some are sadly, not with us any longer, and some of the other brave young men are. They were all inspirational stories and I thought that it is really grossly unfair not to support the efforts of these young men. Then again, there are those who question exactly what those 'efforts' might be for...One soldier put it best in a letter to his family: he said that he was glad to be fighting suicide bombers on THEIR soil, rather than our own.
May God have mercy on all of us, Democrat, Republican, pro-war, anti-war, Bush hater or Bush lover, IF that demonic scourge EVER appears on our soil. We will never live freely AGAIN as we do now. We may remember the words of that young man, and chide ourselves for being so politically opinionated...because politics of any leaning won't help us then!!!
Just some random thoughts---
Alice, back into silence Alice, Those are some excellent thoughts. By the way, my younger brother is serving his second tour in Iraq. Also, my Dad served in VietNam and put things very simply. He said, "when a soldier serves in war, he serves to protect his buddy who is in the trench with him until it is time to go home." I do think that it is coherent to oppose the war, yet support the troops. The troops are doing their duty, and aside from the criminal actions of a few, are doing what they can to help the civilians of Iraq. It is the policy I oppose, not the folks on the ground. Joe
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#232083 - 04/25/07 10:34 PM
Re: Al Gore is Secretly Planning to Run!
[Re: Alice]
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I get tired of this notion that if you are against the war you do not support the troops, or you are a Bush hater. Disagreeing with the administration's policies are not the same as hating President Bush personally. Even if I believe that the administration is corrupt and incompetent, and foolishly led us into this war, that does not mean I hate President Bush.
The war was ill-advised, and they sent these brave young men and women without proper body armor or other protection. They are not taking care of the troops when they come home.
This war did not and is not securing our freedom and security, it has jeopardized it.
Who is the enemy here? The Shiites? The Sunni? This is a civil war now. We have created a hornet's nest. We are not going to secure our national security with this war. We have to look at reality, not rhetoric.
We should pray for the president everyday and pray for peace everyday, and pray protection for our brave troops, must of all I want them home. .
The Holy Father and his predecessor was against this war, which are not infallible teachings, but I think I am in very good company opposing the war.
Edited by lanceg (04/25/07 10:35 PM)
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#232086 - 04/25/07 10:40 PM
Re: Al Gore is Secretly Planning to Run!
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I get tired of this notion that if you are against the war you do not support the troops, or you are a Bush hater. Disagreeing with the administration's policies are not the same as hating President Bush personally. Even if I believe that the administration is corrupt and incompetent, and foolishly led us into this war, that does not mean I hate President Bush.
The war was ill-advised, and they sent these brave young men and women without proper body armor or other protection. They are not taking care of the troops when they come home.
This war did not and is not securing our freedom and security, it has jeopardized it.
Who is the enemy here? The Shiites? The Sunni? This is a civil war now. We have created a hornet's nest. We are not going to secure our national security with this war. We have to look at reality, not rhetoric.
We should pray for the president everyday and pray for peace everyday, and pray protection for our brave troops, must of all I want them home. .
The Holy Father and his predecessor was against this war, which are not infallible teachings, but I think I am in very good company opposing the war.
Lance, Well said. By the way, the current administration has made it a tactic to label all dissent as treason and also to discourage any attention being given to the American casualties. That is why they do not allow filming of the flag draped coffins being loaded onto planes. Also, as my father will testify, this administration has cut veteran's benefits and has done an extremely poor job of taking care of the wounded. Joe
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