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#233246 - 05/04/07 03:48 PM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: nicholas]
Orthodox Pyrohy Offline
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I gotcha goin! wink Someone had to make for some discussion other than inclusive language.


Edited by Orthodox Pyrohy. (05/04/07 03:51 PM)

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#233247 - 05/04/07 03:57 PM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: nicholas]
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Originally Posted By: nicholas
A lot to do!

It is just such a shame that all the resources are being wasted on this stupid revision of the Liturgy.

If all this energy and money had been spent on the renewal of the Church, instead of abandoning our tradition and deforming our Ruthenian Recension, imagine what could have been accomplished!

Nick


Certainly the money could have been spent elsewhere. What about putting the effort foward to have better commnunity outreaches for the poor, needy, elderly, etc... What about using the money to get people back into church? I will admit the structure of the new pewbook is rather nice though.

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#233253 - 05/04/07 04:12 PM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: Orthodox Pyrohy]
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It's awesome that every topic you can think of is somehow related to the RDL, and how it has single-handedly destroyed the Faith of our Fathers!


Stash: "Hey Jash, I got an "insinkerator" today!"

Jash: "No doubt it will mangle your garbage like the Liturgical Commission mangled our Liturgy!"


!just for good measure!!!!

[note: sarcasm intended]

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#233259 - 05/04/07 04:47 PM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: domilsean]
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Hmmm, an insinkerator? Remember the correct term for that item now known as the insinkerator was the insink-erater. By taking out the hyphen and changing the e to the o it destroys the proper job the great Willard T. Bookheimer made this device for, thus reducing his great knowledge and life-long work to properly dispense the sink of garbage to nothing.


Edited by Orthodox Pyrohy. (05/04/07 04:48 PM)

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#233262 - 05/04/07 05:32 PM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: Orthodox Pyrohy]
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From my understanding...ByzCath are Orthodox in belief...such as no belief in "Purgatory", Immaculate Conception, applying Eastern schools of thoughts from Eastern Fathers, etc. etc. etc. The only thing difference is that ByzCath is in Communion with Pope of Rome whereas the Orthodox is not.

Even the ByzCath have a different view of Papacy than from Roman Catholic...in fact it's more closer in line with the Orthodox view than RC.

That's probably why I doxed easily because I had a healthy view of Papacy that I learned about in the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese website explaining their view on Papacy. I was elated.

But yes, many ByzCath have identity crisis because of many years of Latinization (especially during Communist years) as a means to "separate" themselves from Orthodox Church (so that people could identify which is in Communion with Pope and who isn't). That's a sad way to do that...one still can maintain full Orthodox praxis and still be in Communion with Rome. That's precisely why the late John Paul II wrote Oriental Lumen to remind the ByzCath to re-embrace Orthodox identity and to de-latinize.

I'm just not narrow minded "either this or that." I only see what G-d sees...people with Christian faith.

Peace,

SPDundas
Deaf Byzantine

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#233270 - 05/04/07 06:32 PM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: spdundas]
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Originally Posted By: spdundas
From my understanding...ByzCath are Orthodox in belief...such as no belief in "Purgatory", Immaculate Conception, applying Eastern schools of thoughts from Eastern Fathers, etc. etc. etc. The only thing difference is that ByzCath is in Communion with Pope of Rome whereas the Orthodox is not.

Even the ByzCath have a different view of Papacy than from Roman Catholic...in fact it's more closer in line with the Orthodox view than RC.

That's probably why I doxed easily because I had a healthy view of Papacy that I learned about in the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese website explaining their view on Papacy. I was elated.

But yes, many ByzCath have identity crisis because of many years of Latinization (especially during Communist years) as a means to "separate" themselves from Orthodox Church (so that people could identify which is in Communion with Pope and who isn't). That's a sad way to do that...one still can maintain full Orthodox praxis and still be in Communion with Rome. That's precisely why the late John Paul II wrote Oriental Lumen to remind the ByzCath to re-embrace Orthodox identity and to de-latinize.

I'm just not narrow minded "either this or that." I only see what G-d sees...people with Christian faith.

Peace,

SPDundas
Deaf Byzantine


Hmmm...I wonder why the Ukrainian Catholic Cathedral in Philadelphia is named "Immaculate Conception"?

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#233274 - 05/04/07 07:19 PM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: Etnick]
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No doubt someone will produce a book entitled The Elephant and the Ruthenian Liturgical Question. And no doubt someone on the Forum will realize the original version of that joke.

Fr. Serge

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#233279 - 05/04/07 08:08 PM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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"No doubt someone will produce a book entitled The Elephant and the Ruthenian Liturgical Question."

Because the Liturgy is trunkated.

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#233299 - 05/05/07 03:45 AM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: Etnick]
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Originally Posted By: Etnick
Hmmm...I wonder why the Ukrainian Catholic Cathedral in Philadelphia is named "Immaculate Conception"?


Latinisation/being like "other/proper" Catholics. frown

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#233357 - 05/05/07 01:27 PM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: InCogNeat3's]
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Originally Posted By: InCogNeat3's
"No doubt someone will produce a book entitled The Elephant and the Ruthenian Liturgical Question."

Because the Liturgy is trunkated.


Even though it's not the origin of the joke, I like it! Thanks!

Fr. Serge

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#233402 - 05/06/07 12:54 AM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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From the dust jacket of The Elephant and the Kangaroo by T. H. White
Quote:
(1947) You can't believe a word of it. For instance, our hero is said to be a certain Mr. White, "always the practical Englishman," who chooses to have his workshop (or playroom) in Mrs. O'Callaghan's unspeakable cottage on a farm (or "stinkhole") in Ireland. This Mr. White is trying to halt Mrs. O'Callaghan's prayers long enough to foist on her the blessings of free thought. He is also showing her repulsive mate (who just this year began last year's plowing) how to run the farm on sane modern principles, although he can hardly manage even the simplest parlor tricks.

So a Something somes down the chimley. Mrs. O'Callaghan thinks it might be the Archangel Michael.

Mr. White, of course, is pretty surprised when it turns out that it actually is the Archangel Michael. (Look out. You may forget you can't believe this.) However, the adjustment is easier than he thought. Just a few changes at the top, and the rational outlook remains intact. Besides, the Archangel's proposition is most exciting. There will be another Flood. The O'Callaghans are to build an ark and start the human race afresh. Luckily Mr. White is fond of carpentry.

The Irish couple are quite incapable of grasping the situation, but Mr. White rises to it brilliantly. Even the question of just how the race is to be perpetuated by a bachelor and an over-age couple does not shake his confidence in the angel.

By what absurd triumphant means the ark is built, despite the Irish; exactly how much of civilization shall be preserved; how the deluge overwhelms; whether and wither the ark floats; and how Mrs. O'Callaghan saves all (or at least all that is saved) despite Mr. White's most disastrous ingenuities these things unfold in due time, and with a high order of exasperation.

Mr. White, who has been loved and slandered for his fancy, has here retaliated. He exerts himself very nastily to enrage all lovers of druids, dryads, and Erin go fey. We fear he has only succeeded in being extremely funny and that flights of banshees sing him to his sleep.

Sounds appropriate. But Father's reference to a question makes me think of Physics class where we dropped eggs off the top of the band hall and the teacher asked us which would hit the ground faster, an elephant or a feather.

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#233409 - 05/06/07 08:00 AM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: Wondering]
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In the interest of getting this back on topic, I'd like to add to the main point of this thread (the main point being that there is excellent catechesis from fellow Greek Catholics out there explaining why we should have the word orthodox in our liturgy contrary to what some say.) And that dovetails into the addition I'd like to make. We are not just continuing to separate ourselves from our Orthodox Brethern by ignoring this word, but we are the only Greek Catholic Church that I know of that does not use the word orthodox.

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#233432 - 05/06/07 03:13 PM Re: The 'O' Word [Re: Monomakh]
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As the official policy of a Local Church; Monomakh is correct; there is no other Greek-Catholic Church that does not use the word "Orthodox" in the Liturgy. One can find, unfortunately, individual clergy here and there who omit it, or use it only under strict obedience.

Fr. Serge

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