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#235058 - 05/16/07 05:09 PM A lecture by Cardinal Ratzinger (now Benedict XVI) on Conscience
lm Offline
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I stumbled on this link which has this lecture by then Cardinal Ratzinger. I have read and reread it and enjoyed each time. (St. Ignatius sells a book with this and another lecture by Cardinal Ratzinger on the same theme) It really is wonderful and I hope some of you enjoy it as much as I have it.

Conscience and Truth
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

Presented at the 10th Workshop for Bishops February 1991 Dallas, Texas

Here is a nibble:

Quote:
It has become apparent that the question of conscience leads in fact to the core of the moral problem and thus to the question of man's existence itself. I would now like to pursue this question not in the form of a strictly conceptual and therefore unavoidably abstract presentation, but by way of narrative, as one might say today, by relating, to begin with, the story of my own encounter with this problem. I first became aware of the question with all its urgency in the beginning of my academic teaching. In the course of a dispute, a senior colleague, who was keenly aware of the plight to being Christian in our times, expressed the opinion that one should actually be grateful to God that He allows there to be so many unbelievers in good conscience. For if their eyes were opened and they became believers, they would not be capable, in this world of ours, of bearing the burden of faith with all its moral obligations. But as it is, since they can go another way in good conscience, they can reach salvation. What shocked me about this assertion was not in the first place the idea of an erroneous conscience given by God Himself in order to save men by means of such artfulness - the idea, so to speak, of a blindness sent by God for the salvation of those in question. What disturbed me was the notion that it harbored, that faith is a burden which can hardly be borne and which no doubt was intended only for stronger natures - faith almost as a kind of punishment, in any case, an imposition not easily coped with. According to this view, faith would not make salvation easier but harder. Being happy would mean not being burdened with having to believe or having to submit to the moral yoke of the faith of the Catholic church. The erroneous conscience, which makes life easier and marks a more human course, would then be a real grace, the normal way to salvation. Untruth, keeping truth at bay, would be better for man than truth. It would not be the truth that would set him free, but rather he would have to be freed from the truth. Man would be more at home in the dark than in the light. Faith would not be the good gift of the good God but instead an affliction. If this were the state of affairs, how could faith give rise to joy? Who would have the courage to pass faith on to others? Would it not be better to spare them the truth or even keep them from it? In the last few decades, notions of this sort have discernibly crippled the disposition to evangelize. The one who sees the faith as a heavy burden or as a moral imposition is unable to invite others to believe. Rather he lets them be, in the putative freedom of their good consciences.




http://www.cin.org/avatar/ratzcons.html

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#235475 - 05/18/07 01:01 PM Re: A lecture by Benedict XVI on Conscience [Re: lm]
Terry Bohannon Offline
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His distinction between an "erroneous conscience" and a "good conscience" seems to be a critique of the post-conciliar theologians who support female ordination, abortion, homosexual marriage, and other things, on the claim that the Vatican II council allows them to follow their conscience.

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#235478 - 05/18/07 01:27 PM Re: A lecture by Benedict XVI on Conscience [Re: Terry Bohannon]
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I have a question for the FORUM that this post raises. Is it correct to label a lecture by Cardinal Ratzinger as a lecture by Benedict XVI? I have noticed that publishers seem to be struggling with this question even as we are on the forum.

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#235482 - 05/18/07 01:37 PM Re: A lecture by Cardinal Ratzinger (now Papa Ben) on Conscience [Re: PrJ]
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I would say no. So I made the correction above.

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#235485 - 05/18/07 01:41 PM Re: A lecture by Benedict XVI on Conscience [Re: PrJ]
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Originally Posted By: PrJ
I have a question for the FORUM that this post raises. Is it correct to label a lecture by Cardinal Ratzinger as a lecture by Benedict XVI? I have noticed that publishers seem to be struggling with this question even as we are on the forum.

I think it is sloppy scholarship to relabel something written by Cardinal Ratzinger as something written by Pope Benedict XVI. My custom in our discussions here is to say "Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) wrote...." Yes, it is a mouthful and a bit tedious to keep restating it if you doing multiple quotes. But it makes clear that what one is quoting from was written by Cardinal Ratzinger when he was still a cardinal while being respectful that he is no longer a cardinal but the pope. And it would be disrespectful to reference that was written by Cardinal Ratzinger without acknowledging that he is now pope. Likewise, if I were referencing something he wrote before he was ordained a deacon I would probably quote it as "Joseph Alois Ratzinger (later to become Cardinal Ratzinger and now Pope Benedict XVI) wrote...."

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#235597 - 05/19/07 07:58 AM Re: A lecture by Benedict XVI on Conscience [Re: Administrator]
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That's what I've been doing - it may seem pedantic, but I'd rather be pedantic than be dishonest.

Fr. Serge

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#235603 - 05/19/07 08:35 AM Re: A lecture by Benedict XVI on Conscience [Re: PrJ]
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Originally Posted By: PrJ
I have a question for the FORUM that this post raises. Is it correct to label a lecture by Cardinal Ratzinger as a lecture by Benedict XVI? I have noticed that publishers seem to be struggling with this question even as we are on the forum.


I think it is a great witness of humility by the Holy Father that he published his new book on Jesus as simply a theologian, rather than in his office of Pope. It is published under the name Benedict XVI, but not from his role as Pope.

We debate often the role of the Petrine ministry here on the Byzantine forum; one thing not debatable is that we have had two great popes in a row! Actually, most of the Popes in the 20th -21st Century have been great Christians and teachers.

We might start a book club for the book here in Minneapolis.

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#235619 - 05/19/07 11:13 AM Re: A lecture by Benedict XVI on Conscience [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
Michael McD Offline
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All,

I am not advocating disrespect toward anyone, much less the Pope, but I seem to recall that in traditional Latin theology books, when they refer to the opinion of a saint or theologian who taught "academically" before being raised to the Papacy, they usually refer to him by his original or, if appropriate, religious name.

Of course, they aren't referring to a sitting Pope, as in this case. I think the reason was to separate the view of a private theologian (as Pope Benedict XVI describes his "role" in this current bestseller) from that of one engaging, at least, the ordinary Magisterium of the Church.

Michael

P.S. Sounds pretty Latin, eh?

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#235923 - 05/22/07 09:35 AM Re: A lecture by Benedict XVI on Conscience [Re: lanceg]
JSMelkiteOrthodoxy Offline
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Originally Posted By: lanceg
Originally Posted By: PrJ
I have a question for the FORUM that this post raises. Is it correct to label a lecture by Cardinal Ratzinger as a lecture by Benedict XVI? I have noticed that publishers seem to be struggling with this question even as we are on the forum.


I think it is a great witness of humility by the Holy Father that he published his new book on Jesus as simply a theologian, rather than in his office of Pope. It is published under the name Benedict XVI, but not from his role as Pope.

We debate often the role of the Petrine ministry here on the Byzantine forum; one thing not debatable is that we have had two great popes in a row! Actually, most of the Popes in the 20th -21st Century have been great Christians and teachers.

We might start a book club for the book here in Minneapolis.


Lance,

I greatly admire Pope Benedict XVI and John Paul II. I confess that I am even more partial to Pope Benedict because he is a "theologian's theologian" I think and a tremendous scholar. Both men are tremendous thinkers, however. Another modern Pope who often gets overlooked, but who was a profound thinker, was Pope Leo XIII.

Joe

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#236278 - 05/23/07 04:23 PM Re: A lecture by Benedict XVI on Conscience [Re: JSMelkiteOrthodoxy]
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Originally Posted By: JSMelkiteOrthodoxy

Lance,

I greatly admire Pope Benedict XVI and John Paul II. I confess that I am even more partial to Pope Benedict because he is a "theologian's theologian" I think and a tremendous scholar. Both men are tremendous thinkers, however. Another modern Pope who often gets overlooked, but who was a profound thinker, was Pope Leo XIII.

Joe


Joe, yes, John XXIII was great, too, not only as Pope, but during World War II, when he printed baptismal certificates for Jews to save them from the Holocaust.

I have not purchased Pope Benedict's book yet, but I browsed through it last night at Barnes and Noble, and it looks really good. He is very conversant with all of the critical scholarship, yet he trusts in the veracity and historicity of the Gospels, and makes some very reasonable arguments for the Christ of faith and the Historical Jesus being one in the same, and clearly demonstrates that worship of Christ as God was very early in the life of the Church, and not the product of later theological reflection.

His book is an excellent response to Spong, Crossan, Borg, Ehrman, et al...

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#236285 - 05/23/07 04:35 PM Re: A lecture by Benedict XVI on Conscience [Re: lanceg]
Terry Bohannon Offline
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Having finished the second chapter, I am tempted to take some vacation time at work to finish it.

It's refreshing to read a modern book on Jesus that isn't corrupted by the questions of modern scholarship or bracketed by a narrow understanding of truth.

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