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THE "END GAME" BEHIND "IMMIGRATION AMNESTY" #239771
06/14/07 12:41 PM
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Deacon Robert Behrens Offline OP
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Here's an interesting "take" on the issue of illegal immigration by Patrick Buchanan. It appears that many of those (especially those who are "well-placed") who take a permissive view on the issue are promoting the creation of a "North American Union" akin to the European Union, the ultimate end result being the creation of a "corporate state"-type World Government. To me, this article makes sense. I seriously doubt that heads of multinational corporations are motivated by compassion for the impoverished people of Mexico and Central America. Would appreciate your comments. Dn. Robert

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21103

The Regime Against the Nation
by Patrick J. Buchanan
Posted 06/12/2007 ET
Updated 06/12/2007 ET


Last week, in one of the great uprisings of modern politics, Middle America rose up and body-slammed the national establishment.

The Bush-Kennedy-McCain amnesty for 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens, and for the businesses that have hired them -- a bill backed by La Raza and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post -- went down to crushing defeat.

Majority Leader Harry Reid fell 15 votes short (45 to 50) of shutting off debate. Like the rout of the Dubai ports deal, the victory was achieved by a firestorm of public protest, reflected in millions of phone calls and e-mails, and citizens marching to town meetings.

The capital's capitulation to the country was unprecedented and astonishing. Not two weeks earlier, the amnesty provision of the bill had been supported by more than 60 senators.

But opponents of this bill, which would reward mass criminality with mass amnesty and eventual U.S. citizenship, ought not rest.

For President Bush is coming back to resuscitate the monster, and this bill has more support in the Senate than the 45 votes it got Thursday. Some Republicans and Democrats who voted not to shut off debate are privately committed to amnesty, if they can be given political cover and face-saving amendments to take home.

Sen. John Kyl is not necessarily wrong when he says, "All we have to do on the Republican side is sit down with those who have amendments, get those amendments in a reasonable package, not too many, but enough so all of the members can say they had their chance."

Kyl reads his party right. For the GOP is the political instrument of K Street and Corporate America -- the folks who fund the party and finance the campaigns. And the No. 1 issue of Corporate America is Bush-Kennedy-McCain. For not only does it give blanket amnesty to businesses for hiring illegals, it legalizes the illegals and ensures Corporate America an endless supply of cheap immigrant labor.

The fundamental reason this bill is not dead is that its authors and backers will never quit. For this legislation is part of a larger agenda of a large slice of America's economic and political elite.

What is that agenda?

They have a vision of a world where not only capital and goods but people move freely across borders. Indeed, borders disappear. It is a vision of a "deep integration" of the United States, Canada and Mexico in a North American Union, modeled on the European Union and tied together by super-highways and railroads, where crossing from Mexico into the United States would be as easy as crossing from Virginia into Maryland. It is about the merger of nations into larger transnational entitles and, ultimately, global governance.

This immigration bill is but a piece of a great global project already far advanced. In 1993, a majority of Americans opposed the NAFTA trade deal with Mexico because they did not believe the propaganda and feared that, as Henry Kissinger said, it represented the architecture of a new world order.

More than a dozen years have elapsed. And the results? Contrary to the promises, our trade surplus with Mexico did not grow. It vanished. In 13 years, we have run $500 billion in trade deficits with Mexico. Last year's $60 billion was the largest ever. Mexico now exports more cars, trucks and auto parts to the United States than we export to the world.

What NAFTA did was enable U.S. companies to close their plants here, fire their American workers, and move their factories and jobs to Mexico, while Mexico continued to export its poor to the United States.

What is the hidden agenda of the global companies, which evolved out of what were once great American companies?

They want a limitless supply of low-wage immigrant labor and an end to penalties for hiring illegals. They want the freedom to shut factories here and move them to nations where wages are low, benefits nonexistent and regulations lax. They want to be able to move products back to the United States free of charge. They want to be rid of their American workers, but keep their American consumers.

They want to be able to go out to Asia and hire bright kids and bring them to the United States to replace middle-age U.S. workers who cost too much. They want to be able to outsource their white-collar jobs to India at a fraction of the wages they pay Americans.

It is about globalism -- and about greed. And, as the Bible says, love of money is the root of all evil. But they have a problem. The nation has begun to awaken to the reality that the vision of the global corporation and the transnational elite cannot be realized without the death of the American republic. And so they are in a fight that is long overdue.



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Re: THE "END GAME" BEHIND "IMMIGRATION AMNESTY" [Re: Deacon Robert Behrens] #239871
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The proposed North American Union is thoroughly evil and I would support taking up arms against it if it ever attempted to supercede the Constitution of these United States.

Another good article on the subject

A North American United Nations?


August 28, 2006

Globalists and one-world promoters never seem to tire of coming up with ways to undermine the sovereignty of the United States. The most recent attempt comes in the form of the misnamed "Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America (SPP)." In reality, this new "partnership" will likely make us far less secure and certainly less prosperous.

According to the US government website dedicated to the project, the SPP is neither a treaty nor a formal agreement. Rather, it is a "dialogue" launched by the heads of state of Canada, Mexico, and the United States at a summit in Waco, Texas in March, 2005.

What is a "dialogue"? We don't know. What we do know, however, is that Congressional oversight of what might be one of the most significant developments in recent history is non-existent. Congress has had no role at all in a "dialogue" that many see as a plan for a North American union.

According to the SPP website, this "dialogue" will create new supra-national organizations to "coordinate" border security, health policy, economic and trade policy, and energy policy between the governments of Mexico, Canada, and the United States. As such, it is but an extension of NAFTA- and CAFTA-like agreements that have far less to do with the free movement of goods and services than they do with government coordination and management of international trade.

Critics of NAFTA and CAFTA warned at the time that the agreements were actually a move toward more government control over international trade and an eventual merging of North America into a border-free area. Proponents of these agreements dismissed this as preposterous and conspiratorial. Now we see that the criticisms appear to be justified.

Let's examine just a couple of the many troubling statements on the SPP's US government website:

"We affirm our commitment to strengthen regulatory cooperation...and to have our central regulatory agencies complete a trilateral regulatory cooperation framework by 2007"

Though the US administration insists that the SPP does not undermine US sovereignty, how else can one take statements like this? How can establishing a "trilateral regulatory cooperation" not undermine our national sovereignty?

The website also states SPP's goal to "[i]mprove the health of our indigenous people through targeted bilateral and/or trilateral activities, including in health promotion, health education, disease prevention, and research." Who can read this and not see massive foreign aid transferred from the US taxpayer to foreign governments and well-connected private companies?

Also alarming are SPP pledges to "work towards the identification and adoption of best practices relating to the registration of medicinal products." That sounds like the much-criticized Codex Alimentarius, which seeks to radically limit Americans' health freedom.

Even more troubling are reports that under this new "partnership," a massive highway is being planned to stretch from Canada into Mexico, through the state of Texas. This is likely to cost the US taxpayer untold billions of dollars, will require eminent domain takings on an almost unimaginable scale, and will make the US more vulnerable to those who seek to enter our country to do us harm.

This all adds up to not only more and bigger government, but to the establishment of an unelected mega-government. As the SPP website itself admits, "The Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America represents a broad and ambitious agenda." I hope my colleagues in Congress and American citizens will join me in opposing any "broad and ambitious" effort to undermine the security and sovereignty of the United States.

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst082806.htm

Re: THE "END GAME" BEHIND "IMMIGRATION AMNESTY" [Re: Lawrence] #239918
06/15/07 08:59 AM
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Ron Paul is a good man. He is virtually on his own in Congress. The Globalist crowd appears to have solid control over both major parties. One very important point must be made. The concept of "human rights" held by internationalists promoting World Government in today's setting is radically different from what we, in the U.S., and in Christendom as a whole have held. While we always have seen our rights as being God-given, with the function of the State being the protection of those rights, the Globalists, who, for the most part are atheist or agnostic secular socialists, see "rights" as something given by the State, and something which can be taken away by the State. The Globalist crowd created the United Nations to be an embryonic World Government into which the various regional governments (European Union, North American Union, etc.)would be merged. If we read the various United Nations documents, we will see a pattern very similar to that in the old Soviet Constitution, such as "freedom of assembly is guaranteed, except where prohibited by law" (I'm going by memory-not sure if that is the exact wording-but this is the general "gist" of the various "declarations"). We should be able to discern that the new emerging global system is not going to be Christian-friendly. Just a few years ago, the Pope and the Patriarch of Constantinople both tried, in vain, to get the writers of the constitution of the European Union to acknowledge Europe's Christian heritage. If we are not successful in halting the development of this new system, we may well be in for some very harsh persecution. Already, in Sweden, we hear of a Pentecostal pastor being jailed for "hate crimes" because he dared to preach, from Scripture, against homosexual behavior. The "hate crimes" approach to legislation has been mandated by the European Union. It is the EU that is behind the drive to legalize "gay marriage" throughout Europe. I remember reading a quote from one of the Fathers of the Church that, prior to the coming of the great anti-Christ, there would have to be an "anti-John the Baptist" to be his forerunner. I am wondering if that is what we are now witnessing?

In Christ,
Dn. Robert

Re: THE "END GAME" BEHIND "IMMIGRATION AMNESTY" [Re: Deacon Robert Behrens] #239980
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In my cynical opinion, the current immigration bill in the Senate is about money and votes.

Here's my two cents' worth.

Since the 1986 amnesty of illegal aliens, the U.S. government has had an unofficial policy of encouraging American employers to hire the cheapest labor possible. When the jobs can't be exported to low wage countries, the low wage workers are imported in the form of illegal aliens. The 1986 amnesty, in effect, codified that and promulgated that by granting an amnesty to illegal aliens already here and by creating the expectation that there will other amnesties in the future. .

The result has been money and votes for those who perpetuate the system.

The money comes from all who benefit from illegal aliens. The current system allows better profit margins (and, sometimes, just staying competitive) for employers of illegal aliens. It also allows cheap prices for fruits and vegetables, cleaning services, meat packing, other menial work and, increasingly, skilled trades. And part of that extra money gets sent to elected officials -- in the form of political contributions and lobbying groups-- to keep things that way.

The votes comes from the illegal aliens or their children who become citizens and, thereby voters.

The situation won't change till the following happen.
1) The border is secured.
2) Existing immigration and labor laws are consistently and universally enforced.
3) The minimum wage is raised to a living wage, so that Americans will be willing to work the jobs that are currently paid so little that only illegal aliens are willing to work them.

Personally, I think the 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. must be assimilated, which means that there must be an amnesty. However, I think it shouldn't happen till the above three points are put into effect (especially securing the border). Otherwise, we'll just be doing this all over again in another 21 years.

Again, this is just my two cents worth.

-- John

Re: THE "END GAME" BEHIND "IMMIGRATION AMNESTY" [Re: harmon3110] #239982
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Don't get me started on this!!! mad

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Re: THE "END GAME" BEHIND "IMMIGRATION AMNESTY" [Re: harmon3110] #239985
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3) The minimum wage is raised to a living wage, so that Americans will be willing to work the jobs that are currently paid so little that only illegal aliens are willing to work them.


Dear John,

This is the problem. If the minimum wage is raised to a living wage, so that Americans will be willing to work the jobs that are currently paid so little that only illegal aliens are willing to work them, businesses will not be able to hire workers. Besides, where will they find the workers?
Unemployment is now 5%. Without business' again, not being able to afford those high wages, unemployment will start rising, welfare will increase, and basically we will become a socialist nation because the businesses might have to be subsidized by the government. That will kill initiative, etc., etc.

If there is a low unemployment today, it is because of the small businesses that are encouraged by this government. If we have the products we have, at an amazingly low cost, (you can't imagine what the same things cost in the EU), it is because they are made overseas. Are the American people willing to give up all this?

Our whole standard of living depends on the products we consume being made overseas. The unemployment we have, is because of the small business' in our country. These small business' are dependant on the low wages paid to the immigrants workers.

God Bless,

Zenovia

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Re: THE "END GAME" BEHIND "IMMIGRATION AMNESTY" [Re: Zenovia] #239996
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Hi Zenovia,

Every time the minimum wage has been increased, there were some people who were concerned that employers wouldn't be able to keep as many people and serious problems would result. However, those problems did not come to pass. Instead, conditions became better for workers. I'm not an economist, but I suspect that workers spent those higher wages which, in turn, stimulated the economy.

-- John



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