The Byzantine Forum
Newest Members
deanjr, Hunter, Dwain LaFlamme, JeanLCP, Explorer
5509 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
6 registered members (Hunter, crule, Sicura Skonosciuta, 3 invisible), 39 guests, and 390 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
Papal Audience 10 November 2017
Upgraded Russian icon corner
Russian Greek Catholic Global Congress
OL EuroEast II (2007) Group
Portable Icon Screen
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics34,546
Posts410,698
Members5,509
Most Online2,716
Jun 7th, 2012
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death #239660
06/13/07 08:08 PM
06/13/07 08:08 PM
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,437
New York
Father Anthony Offline OP

Administrator
Father Anthony  Offline OP

Administrator
Member
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 3,437
New York
This has been reported today regarding Ruth Graham, the wife of Billy Graham.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070613/ap_on_re_us/billy_graham_burial

In IC XC,
Father Anthony+


Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: Father Anthony] #239661
06/13/07 08:10 PM
06/13/07 08:10 PM
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,398
Georgia U.S.
J
JSMelkiteOrthodoxy Offline
Member
JSMelkiteOrthodoxy  Offline
Member
J
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,398
Georgia U.S.
Lord Jesus Christ, through the prayers of your saints, have mercy on your handmaid Ruth Graham and her family.

Joe

Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: JSMelkiteOrthodoxy] #239671
06/13/07 09:17 PM
06/13/07 09:17 PM
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,264
somewhere betwixt the Alpha an...
ebed melech Offline
Member
ebed melech  Offline
Member
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 5,264
somewhere betwixt the Alpha an...
Lord have mercy on Your handmaid, Ruth!

Gordo

Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: Father Anthony] #239689
06/13/07 11:18 PM
06/13/07 11:18 PM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,440
White Plains, N.Y.
Z
Zenovia Offline
Member
Zenovia  Offline
Member
Z
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,440
White Plains, N.Y.
Dear Father Anthony,

Thank you for posting that. I did hear it today on TV, but didn't think of mentioning it.

I read her biography years ago. She was the daughter of a doctor and missionary to China. She spent her youth there, and had to leave when the Japanes began to attack. She went to a bible college in the Midwest, and had dreams of becoming a missionary herself. I'm not sure, but I think she might have been a Presbytarian.

At college she met Billy Graham, and that was the end of her missionary dreams. He became a tent preacher, and during a revival in California, he happened to be mentioned by Hearst in his newspapers. The story goes, that a women that usually prayed for the success of the revivals, had a sudden inspiration to call the Hearst mansion. Surprisingly, (or miraculously), Hearst himself picked up the phone. She spoke to him and he called his editors and told them to 'push', (or whatever the word is), Billy Graham.

I know that Billy Graham was a Baptist, and he was under pressure from his supporters to emphasize the Baptist faith. He refused to, and I can't help but feel that he became what he did, because he didn't want to proslytize. He merely wanted to turn people to God.

May our Lord give him and his children strength in this hour of need.

God Bless,

Zenovia

Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: Zenovia] #239807
06/14/07 02:52 PM
06/14/07 02:52 PM
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,531
NW, USA
Porter Offline
Member
Porter  Offline
Member
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,531
NW, USA
Yes, Ruth Graham is a fine Christian woman. Thanks, Zenovia, for sharing about her life.

May God's grace and mercy sustain them both as they enter this stage of "life." And may her 'going home' be with much peace.

I think for her the words apply..."Well done, good and faithful servant."

In Christ,

Porter

Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: Porter] #239814
06/14/07 03:44 PM
06/14/07 03:44 PM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 571
Holmdel, NJ, USA
Michael McD Offline
Member
Michael McD  Offline
Member
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 571
Holmdel, NJ, USA
Yes. May the Divine Mercy be with her in these hours, and with her family.


Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: Michael McD] #239851
06/14/07 06:23 PM
06/14/07 06:23 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 576
McDonough GA
RomanRedneck Offline
OrthoDixieBoy
RomanRedneck  Offline
OrthoDixieBoy
Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 576
McDonough GA
Ruth Graham reposed in the Lord at 5:05 pm eastern time Thursday. Eternal memory.

Last edited by RomanRedneck; 06/14/07 06:24 PM.
Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: RomanRedneck] #239852
06/14/07 06:26 PM
06/14/07 06:26 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,896
USA
Alice Offline
Moderator
Alice  Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,896
USA
May our Lord have mercy on His servant, Ruth's soul and bring her to rest with Him in Paradise.

May our Lord have compassion upon her grieving husband and family, granting them strength in His Name at this difficult time.

May her memory be eternal!

In Christ,
Alice


Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: Alice] #239859
06/14/07 07:00 PM
06/14/07 07:00 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,896
USA
Alice Offline
Moderator
Alice  Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,896
USA
Ruth Graham has been bedridden for months with degenerative osteoarthritis of the back and neck and underwent treatment for pneumonia two weeks ago. At her request, and in consultation with her family, she had stopped receiving nutrients through a feeding tube for the last few days, Ross said.

****************************************************************

I just read this. Without wanting to bring out judgementalism in any one at this time when the world mourns with Billy Graham, a saint among us, I am honestly wondering and asking, would this have been morally and ethically okay if she was Catholic? I am truly clueless, and welcome someone clearing this up for me. Thanks!

Alice

Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: Alice] #239872
06/14/07 08:05 PM
06/14/07 08:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,440
White Plains, N.Y.
Z
Zenovia Offline
Member
Zenovia  Offline
Member
Z
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,440
White Plains, N.Y.
Quote
At her request, and in consultation with her family, she had stopped receiving nutrients through a feeding tube for the last few days, Ross said.

Dear Alice,

I think the key words are 'at her request'. She didn't want to be kept alive artificially and indefinitely. I know that Billy Graham is ill himself, and that he probably will be joining his wife soon. May her memory be eternal.

God Bless,

Zenovia

Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: Zenovia] #239873
06/14/07 08:09 PM
06/14/07 08:09 PM
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 10,930
Irondale,AL
Pani Rose Offline
Member
Pani Rose  Offline
Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 10,930
Irondale,AL
May her memory be eternal+

Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: Zenovia] #239937
06/15/07 10:10 AM
06/15/07 10:10 AM
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,398
Georgia U.S.
J
JSMelkiteOrthodoxy Offline
Member
JSMelkiteOrthodoxy  Offline
Member
J
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,398
Georgia U.S.
I can see two issues here. The first has to do with cause of death. Was the cause of death her pneumonia or was the cause of death starvation? And, the second issue has to do with defining extraordinary measures. I believe that the Roman Catholic Church defines basic artificial measures such as feeding tubes as not extraordinary, so it is never permissible in Catholic moral theology to discontinue basic nutrition if that will cause the person's death. If someone's death is immanent, then of course it is not wrong to discontinue needless measures (you wouldn't try to spoon feed someone who was within hours of dying). I do not know if the Orthodox Church has any official point of view.

We can't really make a judgment about this case unless we know all of the relevant facts. In any case, I pray for the repose of her soul and for grace and comfort for Reverend Graham and his family.

Joe

Last edited by JSMelkiteOrthodoxy; 06/15/07 10:11 AM.
Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: JSMelkiteOrthodoxy] #240002
06/15/07 09:18 PM
06/15/07 09:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,273
Hollidaysburg, PA
theophan Offline
Moderator
theophan  Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,273
Hollidaysburg, PA
When I had the responsibility for an aged uncle, we discussed his living will. He said that he did not want surgery. However, after a stroke, it became necessary to have a feeding tube inserted into his stomach via surgery and a subclavian device inserted to give him all the hydration he received after that event.

I consulted my spiritual father and he told me that neither feeding nor hydration was an extraordinaary measure and, in fact, had I failed to do that I would have been morally responsible for his death. He confirmed my own gut instinct that no one should starve to death or die of thirst under my care.

My understanding is that I myself do not have the right to starve myself to death either. Can anyone give me some definite Catholic teaching in this area? Or is this a gray area?

In Christ,

BOB

Last edited by theophan; 06/15/07 09:18 PM.
Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: theophan] #240004
06/15/07 09:42 PM
06/15/07 09:42 PM
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,398
Georgia U.S.
J
JSMelkiteOrthodoxy Offline
Member
JSMelkiteOrthodoxy  Offline
Member
J
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,398
Georgia U.S.
Bob,

What you say seems right on the mark. I don't think that there is much of a gray area here.

Joe

Re: Ruth Graham in a coma, close to death [Re: JSMelkiteOrthodoxy] #240006
06/15/07 09:51 PM
06/15/07 09:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,896
USA
Alice Offline
Moderator
Alice  Offline
Moderator
Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,896
USA
It is hard to think that someone as holy as Billy Graham would do something sinful.

Alice

Page 1 of 2 1 2

The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. All posts become property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2018. All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1
(Release build 20180111)
Page Time: 0.021s Queries: 15 (0.007s) Memory: 2.0385 MB (Peak: 2.2733 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2018-06-18 15:29:03 UTC