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Anyone up for discussions of music, resources, etc. for samoylka chant? I am especially looking at non-Divine Liturgy chant (samohlasnij, etc.) since many are using the Anthology for those DL chants in English.

I don't necessarily want to limit the discussion to English, nor necessarily just to Vespers, but there are a variety of Ukrainian resources out there and excellent ones like the Tservoknij Naspivi from the Studites that are perhaps better known than English resources.

Right now the primary Vespers music I am using are Archpriest Roman Galadza, Archpriest Conrad Dachuck and Fr. Peter Galadza's Vespers materials in addition to those on the St. Irenaeus site.

For Vesperal music I usually use Joseph Roll's "Congregational Singing" book. I also reference the 1999 "Церковні наспіви" (a Ukrainian language re-working of the Dzerovych manual), but I'd love to resurrect some of the melodies on the L'viv "ωсмогласникъ" (1906).

Does anyone have a good writeup on using square-note notation, that I could put on the MCI website?

Jeff

It appears that we can no longer attach files to our posts. Send me your email via PM and I'll email a 1 page pdf.

The document from St. Raphael Press is the one I wanted to send - I had just forgotten where I found it and was going to forward a saved copy. Nikita's document, at 10 pages, is much more thorough.

Yes, Nikita's is the best at hand.

Thank you both - I will go ahead and link to Nikita's explanation - I've had a number of requests for at least a summary of the available samoilka resources, and a guide to notation.

Thanks again!

Jeff

Andrij - I don't know about your experience but it seems many of the older diaky I have seen use Patriarch Josyp's texts of propers (the late 60s/early 70s stuff) and sing from there without much helping music.

For Ukrainian, I really like the newer Studite/Svichado stuff. Easy to read (music and text), and includes a good set of service material (more than many parishes take). The Studite/Svichado Tserkovnij Naspivi has excellent basic settings of the festal Znamenny Irmosi set to modern musical notation.

Certain items I often sing from notes, such as irmoi, dogmatika, etc., everything else just from texts with markings for phrase breaks. (I always try to use Patrarch Josyp's texts, then those of the UOC-KP.) At one point I was setting every Sunday's troparia and kontakia to music as these would be sung by a handful of us rather than the whole choir. This was only to 'train' the lads. I gave them a three month warning as to when I'd stop setting texts to music. They learned the melodies in time.

"Церковні наспіви" is great, but if I know I'm singing with people who aren't very confident in harmonising, but can read music, Roll's book is very helpful. I do prefer some of Roll's phrasings over the "Цн", but this could be due to it being my first chant book.

I'll mention one specific piece of music which I think is best in my oldest sources (both the "ωсмогласникъ" and "ірмологіонъ" of 1906): "тεбε ωдѣюшагося". I have yet to find a Ukrainian setting to match it.

Joe's was my first chant book as well - when the previous diak had his stroke that was the book handed to me by the priest along with Patriarch Josyp's book of texts and he told me "Next week - do this".

He was a gulag survivor so he had a very direct way of communication...

But alas, even after many tapings and other reconstructive surgery my Joe Roll book has pretty much disintegrated. When I was studying at St. Basil's in Stamford his was the normative Ukie text. We started with his English text the first few years, and then started picking up the proto-Anthology texts and settings as a "beta test". Not really that much difference. Those were the days...

I must say the harmonizations in the Anthology have been working out very well. I especially like the Ternopil Chant "Only Begotten Son" as well as the Kyivan chant option with harmony for the Trisagion.