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#242712 - 07/02/07 06:55 PM Cardinal Ratzinger reviews The Organic Development of the Liturgy
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Here are some excerpts from this fine review by then Cardinal Ratzinger in July of 2004.

http://www.adoremus.org/1104OrganicLiturgy.html

The Organic Development of the Liturgy
by Alcuin Reid OSB
2004. St. Michael's Abbey Press, Farnborough, England. 336 pp, cloth bound, £20.95
ISBN 0 907077 43 9

Reviewed by
Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

Quote:

Archeological enthusiasm

...I should like just briefly to comment on two more perceptions which appear in Dom Alcuin Reid's book. Archaeological enthusiasm and pastoral pragmatism --which is in any case often a pastoral form of rationalism - are both equally wrong.

These two might be described as unholy twins. The first generation of liturgists were for the most part historians. Thus they were inclined to archaeological enthusiasm: They were trying to unearth the oldest form in its original purity; they regarded the liturgical books in current use, with the rites they offered, as the expression of the rampant proliferation through history of secondary growths which were the product of misunderstandings and of ignorance of the past. People were trying to reconstruct the oldest Roman Liturgy, and to cleanse it of all later additions.

A great deal of this was right, and yet liturgical reform is something different from archaeological excavation, and not all the developments of a living thing have to be logical in accordance with a rationalistic or historical standard. This is also the reason why -- as the author quite rightly remarks -- the experts ought not to be allowed to have the last word in liturgical reform. Experts and pastors each have their own part to play (just as, in politics, specialists and decision-makers represent two different planes). The knowledge of the scholars is important, yet it cannot be directly transmuted into the decisions of the pastors, for pastors still have their own responsibilities in listening to the faithful, in accompanying with understanding those who perform the things that help us to celebrate the sacrament with faith today, and the things that do not. It was one of the weaknesses of the first phase of reform after the Council that to a great extent the specialists were listened to almost exclusively. A greater independence on the part of the pastors would have been desirable.

Pastoral pragmatism

Because it is often all too obvious that historical knowledge cannot be elevated straight into the status of a new liturgical norm, this archaeological enthusiasm was very easily combined with pastoral pragmatism: People first of all decided to eliminate everything that was not recognized as original, and was thus not part of the "substance", and then supplemented the "archaeological remains", if these still seemed insufficient, in accordance with "pastoral insights".

But what is "pastoral"? The judgements made about these questions by intellectual professors were often influenced by their rationalist presuppositions, and not infrequently missed the point of what really supports the life of the faithful...


Liturgy must not be man-centered

I should like to come back to the way that worship was presented, in a liturgical compendium, as a "project for reform", and thus as a workshop in which people are always busy at something. Different again, and yet related to this, is the suggestion by some Catholic liturgists that we should finally adapt the liturgical reform to the "anthropological turn" of modern times, and construct it in an anthropocentric style. If the Liturgy appears first of all as the workshop for our activity, then what is essential is being forgotten: God. For the Liturgy is not about us, but about God. Forgetting about God is the most imminent danger of our age. As against this, the Liturgy should be setting up a sign of God's presence. Yet what is happening, if the habit of forgetting about God makes itself at home in the Liturgy itself, and if in the Liturgy we are only thinking of ourselves? In any and every liturgical reform, and every liturgical celebration, the primacy of God should be kept in view first and foremost.



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#242770 - 07/03/07 04:48 AM Re: Cardinal Ratzinger reviews The Organic Development of the Liturgy [Re: lm]
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My great thanks to lm for posting this most worth-while review, which has clear significance for the problem of the recasting of the Ruthenian Liturgy. I urge everyone to read the entire review, noting in particular what the Pope cannot do - if the Pope cannot do it, then neither can the Council of Hierarchs of the Pittsburgh Metropolia.

Fr. Serge

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#242783 - 07/03/07 08:26 AM Re: Cardinal Ratzinger reviews The Organic Development of the Liturgy [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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Originally Posted By: Serge Keleher
My great thanks to lm for posting this most worth-while review, which has clear significance for the problem of the recasting of the Ruthenian Liturgy. I urge everyone to read the entire review, noting in particular what the Pope cannot do - if the Pope cannot do it, then neither can the Council of Hierarchs of the Pittsburgh Metropolia.

Bless, Father

Perhaps you could send a copy of your book to His Holiness? grin

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#242817 - 07/03/07 11:10 AM Re: Cardinal Ratzinger reviews The Organic Development of the Liturgy [Re: Recluse]
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I am under the impression that a copy of my book has alredy been sent to the Holy Father - but I would not bet that His Holiness has read it! It is obviously impossible for the Pope personally to read every Catholic book that is published.

But thanks for the compliment!

Fr. Serge

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#242819 - 07/03/07 11:14 AM Re: Cardinal Ratzinger reviews The Organic Development of the Liturgy [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
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Originally Posted By: Serge Keleher
I am under the impression that a copy of my book has alredy been sent to the Holy Father - but I would not bet that His Holiness has read it! It is obviously impossible for the Pope personally to read every Catholic book that is published.

But thanks for the compliment!

Fr. Serge


Dear Fr. Serge,

I am told, by an individual who wishes to remain anonymous, that a lay person has sent a copy of your book to the new head of the Congregation for Eastern Churches.

In Christ,
Dn. Robert

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#242825 - 07/03/07 11:49 AM Re: Cardinal Ratzinger reviews The Organic Development of the Liturgy [Re: Deacon Robert Behrens]
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Originally Posted By: Jessup B.C. Deacon

Dear Fr. Serge,

I am told, by an individual who wishes to remain anonymous, that a lay person has sent a copy of your book to the new head of the Congregation for Eastern Churches.

This is good news indeed! laugh

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#242921 - 07/03/07 06:23 PM Re: Cardinal Ratzinger reviews The Organic Development of the Liturgy [Re: Recluse]
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My thanks to the anonymous donor!

Fr Serge

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#245343 - 07/17/07 05:58 PM Re: Cardinal Ratzinger reviews The Organic Development of the Liturgy [Re: lm]
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Theology of the Liturgy

A lecture by His Eminence Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, delivered during the Journees liturgiques de Fontgombault, 22-24 July 2001.

http://www.oriensjournal.com/11librat.html

Quote:
One thing should be clear: the liturgy must not be a terrain for experimenting with theological hypotheses. Too rapidly, in these last decades, the ideas of experts have entered into liturgical practice, often also by-passing ecclesiastical authority, through the channel of commissions which have been able to diffuse at an international level their "consensus of the moment," and practically turn it into laws for liturgical activity. The liturgy derives its greatness from what it is, not from what we make of it. Our participation is, of course, necessary, but as a means of inserting ourselves humbly into the spirit of the liturgy, and of serving Him Who is the true subject of the liturgy: Jesus Christ. The liturgy is not an expression of the consciousness of a community which, in any case, is diffuse and changing. It is revelation received in faith and prayer, and its measure is consequently the faith of the Church, in which revelation is received. The forms which are given to the liturgy can vary according to place and time, just as the rites are diverse. What is essential is the link to the Church which for her part, is united by faith in the Lord. The obedience of faith guarantees the unity of the liturgy, beyond the frontiers of place and time, and so lets us experience the unity of the Church, the Church as the homeland of the heart



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#250228 - 08/22/07 04:19 PM Re: Cardinal Ratzinger reviews The Organic Development of the Liturgy [Re: lm]
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Different again, and yet related to this, is the suggestion by some Catholic liturgists that we should finally adapt the liturgical reform to the "anthropological turn" of modern times, and construct it in an anthropocentric style...


Cardinal Ratzinger, supra.

Note the law which was promulgated to begin the liturgical reform for the RDL:

Quote:
§6. The metropolitan Liturgical Commission is to prepare a standard text of usage for the Divine Liturgy. This is to be adapted to modern times, legitimate organic development of the Liturgy.


Again, let me quote Cardinal Ratzinger:

Quote:
The obedience of faith guarantees the unity of the liturgy, beyond the frontiers of place and time, and so lets us experience the unity of the Church, the Church as the homeland of the heart...



The Creed in the RDL was changed to comport with "modern times", -- a sign that the RDL itself, as a whole, lacks the "obedience of faith," which is the very thing, as Cardinal Ratzinger points out, that "lets us experience the unity of the Church..."



Edited by lm (08/22/07 04:19 PM)

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