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Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25048 11/19/02 12:49 AM
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Way to go David Letterman with your top 10! WHOOPS! Did I say David Letterman? Oh I'm soo sorry, I meant Alex OrthodoxCatholic! Hehe.

I enjoy your sense of humor here.

I personally don't understand why you were under "attack" with your original top 10. It's very thought provoking though.

But I must say that you got guts to stand up for what you think is true. Although I disagreed on just few things on there (maybe 1 or 2 don't remember)...but all in all...you have a valid point.

I can certainly understand your frustration with the Roman See as I am. Let's just hope that the Roman bureucrats or mean spirited bishops push all of us to the edge to be doxed. Because unity is very important one way or the other.

Just don't let anyone who say bad things or "attack" you get to you...just be yourself and be glad that you spoke the truth here.

So, you should stay on here cuz you're the man!

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Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25049 11/19/02 02:58 AM
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"Doxing" prohibited!! wink

Hmmm...maybe I should invent the term "Catholicizing", or is it already taken? Has a nice ring to it.

Maybe Alex's two lists should be brought to someone in the ByzCath/RomCath hierarchy!

Obviously some/many people are frustrated with either the ByzCath, RomCath, or with that Apostolic See "from which no erros can flow" for the inadequacies in the sui juris Churches, but no one said the Church was perfect! Imagine how much more imperfect it would be if everyone who had the slightest problem with it left it; there would be no one left to correct what is wrong. I think that the constructive criticism on this forum is very healthy for the Church, and I rarely see criticism which is not geared toward bettering the Church. Let's continue to do that.

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Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25050 11/19/02 04:07 AM
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I am a bit lost -- where is the 'other' list that Alex made?
thanks,
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Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25051 11/19/02 08:40 AM
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Dear Communion of Saints,

'Twas on the first page of the Apostolic Administrator thread. Oh and it takes some reading whilst you decided on the frame of mind that Alex wa in as he wrote it !! biggrin

Angela.

PS how about being brave now and using .......? wink

Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25052 11/19/02 03:10 PM
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Dear Angela,

I was my usual congenial, if somewhat mischievous, self when I wrote it! wink

There's not a negative bone in my body!

Alex

Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25053 11/19/02 06:18 PM
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Strange that - my impression had been just that too ! wink

Mind it was done before the bones were really protesting, err that is your bones before the Great Move.

Are you still looking for things ?

Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25054 11/19/02 06:25 PM
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Dear Angela,

I know where everything is - I just can't get to it all as yet!

Alex

Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25055 11/20/02 02:17 PM
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Alex,

ND Hoosier, with permission, posted your present list on the Orthodox forum. That forum presents a different context than this one does, so I responded, I hope, appropriately as you can read below.

"ND,

I tried to find even one area in which your (Alex's) logic was flawed but cannot. I pray that these things will change and suspect that many will. I also have no assurance that our efforts will meet with success in my lifetime, nor am I confident that the BCC will survive as a separate entity. In fact our prayer is that we will not.

Nevertheless, I can't think of a greater cause to which I can give my life. Are we really "under" Rome when our true life, hidden in God, but someday to be revealed, is to bring back the pre 1054 Church? Are our methods perfect? I doubt it, but who else is even seriously trying? The more serious of us draw hope from our Lord's example to wit:

"...let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us while keeping our eyes fixed on Jesus, the leader and perfecter of faith. For the sake of the joy that lay before Him He endured the cross, despising its shame, and has taken His seat atthe right of the throne of God. Consider how He endured such opposition from sinners, in order that you may not grow weary and lose heart. In your struggles against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood. You have also forgotten the exhortation addressed to you as sons: 'My son, do not disdain the discipline of the Lord or lose heart when reproved by Him; for whom the Lord loves, he disciplines; he scourges every son He acknowledges.' Endure your trials as 'discipline'; God treats you as sons."

That's good enough for me.

Or as my grandparents used to say: "Only one life 'twill soon be past. Only what's done for Christ will last."

Dan Lauffer" cool

Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25056 11/20/02 02:46 PM
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Dear Esteemed Professor Dan,

Very well said, from the heart and most learned, Sir!

As our physicians can attest, our ecclesial wounds cannot be allowed to fester.

They must be exposed, cleaned up and anointed with the healing balm of the Holy Spirit who will sanctify us in Christ to the glory of God the Father.

(Although I would question why my friend, NDHoosier, would want to raise this issue on another board where there would be less than a sympathetic response - did you get a sympathetic response?)

That all may be one! So be it! Amen!

Alex

Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25057 11/26/02 02:36 AM
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Did someone post "Davyd Lystonosyts's Top 10 List" (on the first page of this thread) on one of the Orthodox Forums at Yahoo?

My unnamed Orthodox friend mentioned this top ten list to me this evening, but said he didn't want to tell me it because he didn't know how I would take it. I told him to just tell me a bit from it and when he started I realized it was the one I wrote here. I found it quite funny. I also found it funny that he did not know what a collapsable mitre was. What a lucky guy.

Anyways, it's interesting to see how quickly things travel on the internet.

Daniil

Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25058 11/26/02 05:04 AM
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Interesting top 10!

In all honesty the plight of Eastern Catholics has not been easy. But the main beef is really not in the Papacy, rather it is the Vatican Beauracracy and the Curia. The various dicasteries consist of 1,700+ bishops running the Catholic Church.

She is a heavily centralized beauracracy. The primacy of the Pope is not a problem even for the Orthodox. But universal, ordinary jurisdiciton and the fear that the Orthodox rightfully have that if they unite with Rome, all adminstrative and ecclesial functioning would be channeled through the Vatican, is a valid concern.

Anyhoo,
I am babbling and I got to be up early in the am.

In Christ,
ALity wink

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I just now read this two-page thread and I love it!.

My 10 reasons for being Byzantine Catholic:
1. I have good reason to believe my ancestors were Greek Catholic.
2. I have all the treasures of Eastern Christianity.
3. I am under the Holy Father. And we currently live under a very holy Holy Father.
4-10. Christianity is inherently Eastern. (I read that in a book and I am convinced.)
:p

P.S. Thank you for posting the above two lists of "10". What is the other one that folks are talking about?

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Dear MonasticBeginner,

It's not as good as this one - you don't really need to read it smile

Alex

Re: 10 Top Reasons for being with Rome #25061 12/03/02 01:22 AM
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3. Your kids get to go to Catholic school for free (at least in Canada).

Daniil[/QB][/QUOTE]

This is interesting. Could someone tell me more about it?

In Christ,

Robert.

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Dear Robert,

Here in Ontario, we have two publicly-funded school systems, one "Public" the other "Catholic" or "Separate."

Canada became a Dominion in 1867 with the union of four provinces under the Crown.

(The Americans threatened to invade us if we called Canada a "Kingdom." The Confederation Fathers adopted the term from Psalm 72:8 'He shall have dominion from sea unto sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.' The Americans didn't know that 'Dominion' and 'Kingdom' were the same idea and finally said, 'Okey Dokey!')

Canada's people then were divided into French Catholics and English Protestants and so the "public" school system was for the Protestants and the "separate" one for the Catholics.

Over time, the public system became non-denominational, but the Catholic system remained religiously oriented and fully funded until the end of high school.

I attended the Catholic school system going to Basilian institutes.

Alex

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