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Is the Council of Trent an Ecumenical Council? #258729
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I need to know the answer to this question, does anyone here know the answer?

Re: Is the Council of Trent an Ecumenical Council? [Re: Xristoforos] #258731
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You'll probably get some arguments here Xristoforos, but based on traditional Catholic thought as well as the Code of Canon Law for both Eastern Catholics and Western Latin Catholics, the answers is a clear 'yes'.

Second Vatican Council's Lumen Gentium explicitly restates the ecumenical dogmatic authority of Trent.

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Robster

Re: Is the Council of Trent an Ecumenical Council? [Re: robster] #258738
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I, as an Eastern Catholic, reject the ecumenicity of all fourteen later Latin Church councils.

Re: Is the Council of Trent an Ecumenical Council? [Re: Apotheoun] #258752
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It is a topic of debate, regardless of the wishfull thinking of canon lawyers. Traditional Catholic thinking would regard Trent as an important general Council, but not in the same sense of the 7 Ecumenical Councils. The numbering system that would include Trent or Vatican II as Ecumenical is entirely modern. Apparently, the modern numbering system began with overzelous Eastern Catholics bullying the Orthodox...

Re: Is the Council of Trent an Ecumenical Council? [Re: theophilus] #258761
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Originally Posted by theophilus
It is a topic of debate, regardless of the wishfull thinking of canon lawyers. Traditional Catholic thinking would regard Trent as an important general Council, but not in the same sense of the 7 Ecumenical Councils. The numbering system that would include Trent or Vatican II as Ecumenical is entirely modern. Apparently, the modern numbering system began with overzelous Eastern Catholics bullying the Orthodox...


And since Vatican II was finished in 1965, that would be entirely appropriate! biggrin

I don't think there is an "official list" of ecumenical councils maintained anywhere in the Vatican, though.

Re: Is the Council of Trent an Ecumenical Council? [Re: Apotheoun] #258793
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Originally Posted by Apotheoun
I, as an Eastern Catholic, reject the ecumenicity of all fourteen later Latin Church councils.


For another opinion (I trust the translator has got it right.) [ link ]:

On October 11, 1962, the first day of the Council, Pope John delivered this address in St. Peter's Basilica.
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The Councils -- both the twenty ecumenical ones and the numberless others...It is but natural that in opening this Universal Council... Ecumenical Councils, whenever they are assembled... As regards the initiative for the great event which gathers us here, it will suffice to repeat as historical documentation our personal account of the first sudden bringing up in our heart and lips of the simple words, "Ecumenical Council." ... we wish to narrate before this great assembly our assessment of the happy circumstances under which the Ecumenical Council commences... The greatest concern of the Ecumenical Council is this: that he sacred deposit of Christian doctrine should be guarded and taught more efficaciously... That is, the Twenty-first Ecumenical Council, which will draw upon the effective and important wealth of juridical, liturgical, apostolic, and administrative experiences, wishes to transmit the doctrine, pure and integral, without any attenuation or distortion, which throughout twenty centuries, notwithstanding difficulties and contrasts, has become the common patrimony of men... That being so, the Catholic Church, raising the torch of religious truth by means of this Ecumenical Council... Venerable brothers, such is the aim of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council...


Dn. Anthony


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