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#259525 - 10/30/07 06:31 PM New Edition of the Divine Liturgy
Fr Serge Keleher Offline
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Registered: 06/22/06
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Earlier today, I received a copy of the latest edition of the Divine Liturgy as accepted by the Archbishop and the clergy of the Greek-Catholic Eparchy of Newton. It's not perfect (nothing ever is), but it is admirable, and those who will use it are to be envied. I recommend it to the attention of the clergy and faithful of the Pittsburgh Metropolia.

Fr. Serge

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#259529 - 10/30/07 06:40 PM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
Stephanie Kotyuh Offline
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Registered: 09/22/06
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Loc: Medina, OH
Is it available online?

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#259567 - 10/30/07 09:49 PM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Stephanie Kotyuh]
Ung-Certez Offline
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Registered: 02/17/02
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Seems like the Melkites always make the right decisions regarding authentic liturgical tradition.

Ungcsertezs

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#259573 - 10/30/07 10:04 PM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Ung-Certez]
Matta Offline
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Registered: 01/21/07
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At the moment, the text is still largely devoid of formatting, etc. It is still essentially in the form of a "study text". We are working now at making it into a format that is easy for people and clergy to read and pray.

We are also updating our English chants with the new translation. (Not always easy, as a change in syllable structure may mean that the underlying melody no longer supports the new words or meaning. Thus we must turn to the original Greek and Arabic melodies, when modifying the English music.)

The Melkite global web site will be updated soon.

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#259585 - 10/30/07 10:37 PM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Matta]
Diak Offline
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Is this substantially different than the text that was presented for review and input to the clergy? I understood that some minor revisions were made based on the feedback from the sensus fidelium but that the overall text was very similar.

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#259588 - 10/30/07 10:45 PM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Diak]
Ung-Certez Offline
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Originally Posted By: Diak
Is this substantially different than the text that was presented for review and input to the clergy? I understood that some minor revisions were made based on the feedback from the sensus fidelium but that the overall text was very similar.


What, the "sensus fidelium" voiced imput? What a novel innovation to liturgical revision!

Ungcsertezs

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#259619 - 10/31/07 03:59 AM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Ung-Certez]
Matta Offline
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The changes were mostly minor from the draft circulated for comment. For example: "now and always and for ever and ever" has now become "both now and ever and unto ages of ages". Other changes included some grammatical corrections and improvements in grammatical style.

This version has also capitalised the initial letter of pronouns referring to God.

It is by and large a very close translation of our Arabic and Greek originals.

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#259624 - 10/31/07 05:45 AM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Matta]
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Originally Posted By: Matta
The changes were mostly minor from the draft circulated for comment. For example: "now and always and for ever and ever" has now become "both now and ever and unto ages of ages".


How wonderful. Eis polla, eti despota!

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#259633 - 10/31/07 08:53 AM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: JohnS.]
Diak Offline
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Chronia polla to our brother Melkites!!!

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#259733 - 10/31/07 04:28 PM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Diak]
Laka Ya Rabb Offline
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Registered: 10/11/05
Posts: 478
Loc: Phoenix
Father Bless!

Father Serge, when might you offer some critical analysis of our new translation?

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#259763 - 10/31/07 07:32 PM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Laka Ya Rabb]
Fr Serge Keleher Offline
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Shall probably do so eventually - but I'm in the midst of an article on another topic at the moment. Meanwhile, I'm favorably impressed, on the whole, by the new translation of the Eparchy of Newton.

Fr. Serge

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#259801 - 10/31/07 11:32 PM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
Laka Ya Rabb Offline
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Thanks for the sneak peak review. smile

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#259924 - 11/01/07 07:49 PM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Laka Ya Rabb]
byzanTN Offline
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Registered: 06/25/02
Posts: 5223
Loc: Knoxville, TN
Unfortunately, it will probably be published by Sophia Press. It will be full of typos with an initial offering of 150 volumes. Those will sell out in 3 days and the book will then be out of print for the next 4 years. URGH!!! crazy

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#259961 - 11/02/07 12:19 AM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Fr Serge Keleher]
Ung-Certez Offline
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Registered: 02/17/02
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Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
I look forward to seeing the new Melkite Divine Liturgy translation and compare it to the Sui Juris Metropolitan Byzantine Church of America's RDL. I wonder which will be more of an authenic translation?

Ungcsertezs

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#260059 - 11/02/07 04:48 PM Re: New Edition of the Divine Liturgy [Re: Ung-Certez]
Laka Ya Rabb Offline
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Registered: 10/11/05
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Loc: Phoenix
WOW! byzanTN,

I guess I just know all the right people. I get all the books i need. Even the one's out of print. smile

Although i will admit, Sophia Press is very limited run and there are usually typo's.

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