I've been seeking a copy of Byzantine Daily Worship (following leads in this thread). Alleluia Press is out of stock/out of print and every other lead has dead-ended...except for the store that has a single copy at $200.

Does anyone know of a reasonably-priced source that still has them in stock?

Thanks!

I wish. I was looking for Sayedna Raya's "Face of God" via Amazon and it only had one copy going for $99.99. No guarantee that its new anyways. Man, why did he have to be sooo popular?! :P

Try the following, although their on-line ordering does not work for those outside the US (you'll have to ring or fax).

Theological Book Service, PO Box 509, Barnhart, MO 63012

Phone: (877) 484-1600 Fax: (800) 325-9526

Order online at www.theobooks.org

Try Byzantine Church Supplies:

http://www.ukrcathedralphiladelphia.net/church_supplies.html

Ask for Miroslava Demkiv.

Icon and Book Service lists it and Holy Trinity has it.

http://www.iconbook.org/Prayer%20Books.html

Holy Trinity Monastery Bookstore
Phone: 724-287-4461
P.O. Box 990
Butler, PA 16004-0990

Slava Isusu Khrystu!

I never realized that the nice Ruthenian Greek Catholic Benedictine Monks had a bookstore at their monastery. That is good to know. I suppose that they must have that great prayer book - "Byzantine Book of Prayer" as printed by the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Metropolia of Pittsburgh. Now that is a great prayer book that I would not be without. So handy and convenient. A real asset to anyone's spiritual library!

I really think that the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Metropolia of Pittsburgh is to be highly commended for making that beautiful prayer book available to us!!!!!!!!

God Bless,

John Doucette

Is this what you're looking for? http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&sortby=2&sts=t&tn=Liturgy+of+St.+John+Chrysostom%3A+An+Excerpt+from+Byzantine+Daily+Worship&x=0&y=0

No, but thank you. That's an extract, I'm seeking the entire book.

Earlier this year, I got a softcover copy of "The Face of God" from Eastern Christian Publications. You may want to email them directly (I haven't been able to find it on a brief tour of their website).

As for BDW, unless you have luck with the other vendors, I think you'll have to pay whatever people are asking for. I'd suggest alternative books which have the relevant prayers (e.g. the Ukrainian Catholic Divine Office book). What are your exact needs?

MarkosC

And if the recommendations above don't turn up a copy, go direct to the source: Alleluia Press (PO Box 103, Allendatel, NJ 07401, USA).

There is the 'Little Raya' which is what some call the

BYZANTINE BOOK OF PRAYER
(English, hardbound) w/Divine Liturgy of St. John and St. Basil, Molebens, Acathist, Parastas, Tropars/Kondaks, private prayers and Devotions, 6½ X 4½. $18.00 Ten copies or more $15.00

http://www.byzantines.net/byzantinepress/books.htm

Try

here

Many years,

Neil

Thanks for all the leads (and I have the Byzantine Book of Prayer on order). Alleluia Press indicates BDW is now out of print and the only source I found wants $200 for their last copy.

One of the children in this family use to post on here. Looks like they may have the Seeing with the Eyes of the Gospel http://www.marketworks.com/StoreFrontPro...amp;i=232956919

BDW for lower prices:
http://www.allbookstores.com/book/compare/9780911726077

Face of God for a good price:
http://www.alibris.com/search/books/author/Raya,%20Joseph

Face of God for a good price:
http://www.alibris.com/search/books/author/Raya,%20Joseph [/quote]

Thanks, have to wait until late Feb for it to arrive though!

Why the heck don't they simply keep DBW in print. Anytime I have seen BDW it is in the range of $100+ through used outlets or eBay. there is obviously a demand for it!

I agree!

I believe there are some copyright problems with Byzantine Daily Worship.

Fr. Serge

Alleluia Press has plans to reissue Raya's Byzantine Daily Worship. I work for a major corporate bookseller and had hoped to use my employee discount to purchase copies for a relative and myself. I phoned Alleluia Press last week and told the gentleman who answered that I work for N. Books and that I had a customer who wished to purchase two copies of BDW. This gentleman kindly informed me that the book is currently out of print, but Alleluia Press is working on republishing it. They hope to have it available again sometime next year.

Frankly, I agree that Byzantine Daily Worship never should have gone out of print to begin with. I would love to see the three publishing houses who are guardians of Archbishop Raya's written legacy (i.e., Alleluia Press, The Eparchy of Newton/Sophia Press, and Madonna House Publications) enter into a collaborative arrangement to ensure all of the Archbishop's writings remain in print. They should also combine their resources to promote the availability of the Archbishop's books in more bookstores and parish and cathedral gift shops.

Part of the problem is Alleluia Press does very small print runs. The third printing of BDW in 1995 was only 2000 copies. The 2001 print run for the Archbishop Jospeh Raya edition Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom was only 1000 copies.

Fr. Deacon Lance

Does the demand for BDW justify the conservative investment?

Is it that they face limitations with distribution?

Terry

I heavily agree with you. I'm a Latin with a rising interest in the East and everyone keeps recommending his material, but I can't find it anywhere!!!

I wish I could get a copy of the Byzantine Daily Worship for under $200 but as that is not the case I found a happy alternative option. Eastern Christian Publications carries the 1996 Daily Office and Liturgikon of the Ruthenian Recension under the name Let Us Pray to the Lord vol. I (Office) and II (Divine Liturgy). Each book costs $30 SO in the end I only ended up spending $60 plus $6 dollars shipping and now I have good resources for prayer.

Called Alleluia. Need 40k to reprint and don't have 40k.

I think it is about time they gave the licence to the respective Melkite eparchies to print it out and sell it at a cheaper price. Honestly, if I really can't wait, I'm going to get books from the Greek Orthodox bookstore... in English. Only AUD 15 per book. Only if I can't wait.

For the life of me I can't figure out why they don't move over to an on-demand publisher, you don't need 40k to get that in motion, and there are several good ones. I have been blessed to borrow a friend's copy of BDW for study, and it really is a treasure, and deserves to be republished. And the public desire for a reprint would make profit even at on-demand rates.

This is also called 'the Little Raya.' It isn't exact, because some was changed to follow more the wording of the Slavic people. But, for now it is a good alternative.

BYZANTINE BOOK OF PRAYER
(English, hardbound) w/Divine Liturgy of St. John and St. Basil, Molebens, Acathist, Parastas, Tropars/Kondaks, private prayers and Devotions, 6½ X 4½. $20.00

http://www.byzantines.net/byzantinepress/books.htm

What's the "k"?

Thousand. Forty thousand.

I have a copy of Byzantine Daily Worship and also of the Raya/DeVinck "Byzantine Missal" published in 1958. It is interesting to note the many 'Latin' elements in the earlier work, of which only the Benediction Service seems to have been carried forward into the larger, later volume. Has any analysis of this process been done?

What other Latin elements exist in the 58 Missal?

I do not actually own the full copy of the 1958 Missal, but I have the abbreviated copy which only has the Divine Liturgy and 3rd Hour, and it lists what is available in the full edition in the back, and those things include: Rosary, Angelus, Stations of the Cross, can't remember what else (I am at work) but a few other Latin devotions.

My complete copy has: Angelus, Rosary, Way of the Cross, Litany of the Blessed Virgin, and various prayers, including Memorare, Cardinal Mercier's Prayer to the Holy Spirit, Prayers of St, Thomas Aquinas, St, Margaret Mary's Prayer to the Sacred Heart, St. Therese's Act of Consecration to the Divine Love, Meditation of St. John of the Cross, Morning Offering. These may reflect popular devotions among the people then served by Fr. Raya at St George's Church in Alabama.

Sayedna worked very hard to bring the Church back from it's Latinzations. If these were used then, they are not present - at least in the open prayer life of the Church. St. George is very dedicated to it's Melkite tradition and usuage. http://www.melkite.org/

He is sadly missed, but his presence is always there in worship through the people, the Body of Christ that he raised up.

I wonder whether some of these Latinisations only occurred in the West--and then because there were not enough Melkite parishes.

Our bishops and priests know nothing of Stations of the Cross, Benediction, etc., and several were ordained before 1958.

The literature would suggest otherwise. There were Latinising tendencies right back in the the mid to late 1800s in the Melkite Eparchies of the Ottoman Empire. It was encouraged at the time and seen as progress.

I took another look at my copy of the 1958 'Missal' and noticed other features that indicated that recovery of Byzantine tradition was a "work in progress" at that time among the Melkites, at least in the U.S.: Use of the term "Rite" rather than "Church to refer to the Melkites and other Byzantines. Mention of a "general permission" for celebration of the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom on Mondays, Thursdays and Fridays of the Great Fast. The "indulgenced" Prayer Before a Crucifix after Communion. Frequent use of the term "Mass" rather than "Divine Liturgy." The addition of the Divine Praises and the hymn "Holy God, We Praise Thy Name" after Benediction (with the explanation that, while "not of Byzantine liturgical origin, ... they are often used as part of the ceremony ... .")

As an indication that the recovery of tradition has been a continuing task, even among the Melkites, it is worth noting that, in his later book, the Archbishop included Epistle and Gospel references for celebration of the Divine Liturgy on all weekdays of Great Lent, but then noted that "according to ancient custom, ... the Divine Liturgy was not celebrated ... ."

The word "Missal" in itself is a pretty clear indication that it had very strong Latin tendencies.

Hi guys,

any news of a new print for the BDW?

When I called: "No plans to print again any time soon. Too expensive."

What about the Horologion? Any plans to reprint that one or also too expensive?

Hmm, if that's the case, can we petition Alleluia Press to distribute the copyright to the Melkite Catholic eparchs or some other Catholic (don't matter if it's Latin) printing press that can help i.e. Ignatius Press, Theological Publishers India, or something of that sort. If they can't print it, perhaps they can point us to alternative resources. We need it.

My thinking is if you don't have the wherewithal to print it then give it away as a PDF or provide the rights to a publishing house that can. If you read Eastern Catholic Life, Horizons, the BCW, etc. you are constantly exhorted to lead a prayerful life that acknowledges the liturgical year. Since our parish lost its priest almost a year ago these books are imperative in "staying connected" to the faith.

Indeed. I am hoping to start a petition, with the blessing of my parish priest, to my local eparch to see what it can do for Melkites in Australia. I hope that others in other eparchies will follow suit and appeal to their bishops so that we can have something substantial for ourselves. A militant approach is not necessary but I guess approaching our bishops with constructive ideas to "stay connected" with our faith would usually meet with little (or no) opposition. Who's with me?

All, after doing some recent research into the contents of many *Izbornik* books published in Church Slavonic in the early 20th century in Europe, it seems they are very similar in content to BDW. But the Slavonic Churches never produced a complete English equivalent that I've ever seen. I have been considering a project to produce such a book like those *Izborniki* and that very much parallels the content of BDW.

Based on reading this thread, there seems to be a demand, and I agree that on-demand digital printing or other methods could be more economical than the $40,000 quoted as needed to reprint BDW.

How many on this forum would buy a book like BDW if we produced such a book? What content would people need or expect? What are the characteristics of BDW that makes it so appealing that we can make sure to consider?

I realize this may not be very scientific market research, but it seems to be a hot topic on this Forum and if there is a market for such a book, I would pursue my ideas with more vigor and try to produce something by this fall. Pass the word around to have people comment and let me know if this is worth doing.

Jack Figel
Publisher
Eastern Christian Publications
Fairfax, VA
www.ecpubs.com

Hi Jack,

to put it short and sweet, YES, IT IS WORTH DOING!

As far as I'm concerned, since I've been at my wit's end to get the book, I suppose that you'd have one potential buyer here.

One of the features of the BDW is that it had rubrics, in little red notes, for the Byzatnine-Slavonic churches. If you were to create an English book which will drive on what the Byzantine-Slavonic churches have, then do add notes on different practices, where they apply. Or not, you can just republish the whole BDW and create a Byzantine-Slav edition of the BDW. The ball seems to be in your court now!

PS: Fr. Kevin Cummins sends his regards.

As an aid to private devotion and study, or as a source of English translations for liturgical services when nothing suitable is available, I can see the utility of a copy of BDW. I have some difficulty understanding its place in parish worship today, however.

It is a point-in-time document. It beautifully memorializes the efforts of Archbishop Joseph and Baron Jose to produce a compendium of the accomplishments of the Melkite Church of nearly half a century ago in recovering and promoting its liturgical riches for English-speaking clergy and faithful. Has it not been overtaken by events? Even if shorn of its Latinizations (Benediction comes to mind), where would it fit into the life of an ordinary EC parish?

Would BC hierarchs and pastors accept it as an alternative to the RDL or the old Red Book? Would UGC hierarchs and parish clergy accept it as an alternative to the Sheptytsky Institute's "Anthology"? Quite apart from cost, would parishes want to have multiple "pew books" for the faithful to juggle?

BDW is, no doubt, a treasure. But it is difficult to see where it would fit into the sadly disparate and uncoordinated efforts at liturgical renewal now occupying the attention, energies and resources of our several Particular Churches.

Well, for my parish, the book is still useful because the Euchologion and Horologion comes from there. It is a necessity for our English liturgies.

The BC Church already has its own resources in place for its faithful. What's lacking applies to the Melkites, which sorely, I don't know why Alleluia Press is not tendering the publishing out.

I suspect that anyone contemplating re-issue of BDW will have to consider, in addition to the possible need for further editing, the feasibility of producing a 1000+-page book in anything like the original format: bible paper, red edges, ribbon markers, leatherette cover. As I said before, BDW is a treasure, but apart from its possible use as a resource by clergy, cantors and such, it is difficult to see it meeting the need for a pew book for the English-speaking laity of any of our Churches in the 21st century.

By default, presentation doesn't really matter. If the BDW were republished to look like as if it was published by Penguin, I'd still be unscathed because most importantly, my faith in God needs to come first, and not nitty grities like the paper or binding. Softcover or hard, doesn't matter - as long as there is something for us to use while we pray.

Want to publish at a budget? Send it to TPI. They reproduce books for cheap. I bought my NRSV and Jerome Biblical Commentary for 15 Malaysian ringgit and 50 Malaysian ringgit respectively. Its still the same book.

We should prepare to petition! :p