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#268114 - 12/12/07 06:45 PM
Re: East and West: Different Religions?
[Re: Logos - Alexis]
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"Aquinas' views on the problem of evil and predestination (God does not will the eternal salvation of all) are incompatible with the Eastern Christian doctrines of man and salvation."
Even if we were to agree with you that Aquinas taught that, it is still the private interpretation of a private theologian and carries no official weight.
Alexis Excellent point. Quoting a saint from the West or from the East is a pretty common method for dismissing the other side. We can quote Tertullian and still take valuable points from him even as we dismiss (or understand in historical context) his anti-Hellenistic or later heretical statements.
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#268133 - 12/12/07 08:20 PM
Re: East and West: Different Religions?
[Re: Logos - Alexis]
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Even if we were to agree with you that Aquinas taught that, it is still the private interpretation of a private theologian and carries no official weight. I was using that conclusion to shed light upon the different theological frameworks and methodologies at work here. For an example of an unambiguously dogmatic disagreement, I would cite his work Against the Greeks which advocates the Filioque and Papal Supremacy. We cannot forget that every doctrine has implicit Trinitarian and Christological implications. Papal infallibility, for example, is the restriction of a particular divine charism/energy (not transmitted through Holy Orders) to one episcopal office, which is hard to map onto an Eastern framework.
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#268147 - 12/12/07 10:23 PM
Re: East and West: Different Religions?
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Thanks to you and to all the people who make "The Byzantine Forum" possible!  Peace, Deacon Richard Hear, hear!! or is it "Here, here!!" anyways .. Amen. -ray
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#268152 - 12/12/07 10:48 PM
Re: East and West: Different Religions?
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Richard, Father Alexander was one of my favorite people in the OCA. If indeed he was right that unity comes from on high, it makes no difference whether or not we act in favor of it or oppose it because it will happens when God wants it to and not before.
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#268162 - 12/12/07 11:40 PM
Re: East and West: Different Religions?
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We do not have to "profess faith in the Church Fathers" in order to see that, say, Aquinas' views on the problem of evil and predestination (God does not will the eternal salvation of all) are incompatible with the Eastern Christian doctrines of man and salvation. I don't want this to go off-topic, but I think it's worth pointing out (so that a straw-man doesn't develop or get preserved) that Aquinas says the opposite. He just clarifies that we can speak of general willing and contingent willing. God wills that everyone has eternal life, but wills it contingently; if He willed it absolutely then it would be impossible for us to NOT have eternal life, which we know is false. Now back to your scheduled discussion!  Peace and God bless!
Edited by Ghosty (12/12/07 11:41 PM)
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