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Vatican is interested in a Local Orthodox Church in Ukraine #275726 01/28/08 07:54 PM
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I read anything published on Interfax with a "ton" of salt." I have never heard the this organization "The Way of the Orthodox".
Yury Boldyrev, with a very Russian surname, is identified as a politician. Is he an elected official?

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28 January 2008, 16:27
The Vatican is interested in a Local Orthodox Church in Ukraine - a Ukrainian politician

Moscow, January 28, Interfax – Head of the Ukrainian public organization the Way of the Orthodox Yury Boldyrev believes that the Holy See is the first to be interested in establishing a Local Orthodox Church in Ukraine today.

‘The true content of a joint Local Orthodox Church in Ukraine is promotion of Catholicism further to the East,’ Boldyrev has stated in his interview to the Profil magazine on Monday.

According to him, the attempts to unsettle Orthodox unity in Ukraine have ‘at least a thousand-year’ history. ‘The Vatican has always strived to subordinate these territories, ‘to correct St. Vladimir’s historical mistake’ using political and military power of the Catholic Europe.’

Boldyrev reminded that the Vatican ‘took advantage of Russia’s political weakness’ in the 17th century, spread its influence on the Galician Russia and ‘imposed’ the Union of Brest on its inhabitants. For this reason ‘nowadays Galicians differ from other Ukrainians mentally and culturally.’

The politician described approximate scenario of promoting Catholicity in Ukraine: The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church will join the newly established ‘Local Church’ out of ‘patriotic’ concerns thus making the half of the Local Ukrainian Church ’pray for the Pope of Rome.’

‘The idea of making Ukraine Catholic did not appear today or in 1991. These are modern developments of the process which have started a thousand years ago. Contemporary enthusiasts of a ‘local Church’ either due to their ignorance or cunning do not reveal the whole truth. Meanwhile the construction of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church on the Dnieper’s left bank is already an accomplished fact,’ Boldyrev noted

Re: Vatican is interested in a Local Orthodox Church in Ukraine [Re: Halia12] #275735 01/28/08 08:12 PM
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Excellent observations, Halia. Dyakuyu. But I've also heard Moscow-derived polemic that Vatican was involved in the revival of the UAOC in the 1920s and Patriarch Filaret's decision to head the UOC-KP.

If anyone knew Kasper the Unfriendly Ghost's relations with Moscow, especially in his negotiations with Moscow ignoring the UGCC, it would be apparent how ridiculous this is. If anything Rome has favored the MP to the detriment of even other Greek Catholic churches.

Re: Vatican is interested in a Local Orthodox Church in Ukraine [Re: Diak] #275771 01/28/08 11:10 PM
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Another Interfax "breaking report" grin

Re: Vatican is interested in a Local Orthodox Church in Ukraine [Re: Michael_Thoma] #275774 01/28/08 11:13 PM
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This is about as credible as the assertion that Mao Tse-tung came to power because the USA backed him against Chiang Kai-Shek (one can still find Kuomintang stalwarts to defend that silly idea).

Fr. Serge

Re: Vatican is interested in a Local Orthodox Church in Ukraine [Re: Fr Serge Keleher] #275786 01/28/08 11:43 PM
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These sorts of reports roundly ignore Roman inaction when it comes to modern-day unia-overtures versus efforts to work with Moscow & established Orthodox parties.

Would that it really were the case that Rome wanted to so ominously interfer in these sorts of internal matters! Maybe we would actually see some of the following which we DO NOT:
  • Russian Orthodox Catholics would have their own hierarchy,
  • Rome would refer to the head of the UGCC as the Patriarch and charge it with gathering in all parties in canonical isolation
  • a Macedonian unia would have been created, and
  • busloads and busloads of apple-cheeked, freshly ordained Poles and Ukrainians would have been shipped into Eastern Ukraine and Russia...


Really, sometimes I believe it is far easier and more expedient to work up the locals by saying "Rome is coming!Rome is coming! Jesuits are on the horizon!" than it is to actually discuss things in terms of reality. One wonders if the interviewee suspects that disaffection with Moscow could have anything to do with... Moscow?

Are there Catholics with agendas to prozelitize out there? No doubt! Can they be viewed as part of a general over-all trend to bypass the official dialogue and efforts made (even to the chagrin or at the cost of some Catholics in the middle of it!) to improve our relations with Moscow? Doubtful.

This sort of propoganda does no party any good.

Re: Vatican is interested in a Local Orthodox Church in Ukraine [Re: A Simple Sinner] #275791 01/29/08 12:16 AM
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The article is a lot of silly nonsense and not worth further
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Re: Vatican is interested in a Local Orthodox Church in Ukraine [Re: Edmac] #275888 01/29/08 02:15 PM
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Actually, it's a great example of Ukrainian wishful thinking!

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Originally Posted by Orthodox Catholic
Actually, it's a great example of Ukrainian wishful thinking!

Alex


"Our situation is so brilliantly urgent and notable on the world scene, that even Rome is trying to get its beak wet with it!"???

Watch out, the Jesuits are coming! shocked

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INRI!

Re: Vatican is interested in a Local Orthodox Church in Ukraine [Re: Fr Serge Keleher] #275983 01/30/08 12:08 AM
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Yury Bolderev is a Russian Politician, and is Putin's anti-corruption watchdog.

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