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Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia #277414 02/07/08 10:25 PM
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Row over Macedonia Church

07 February 2008 Skopje _ The main Albanian opposition party in
Macedonia has urged the Pope to help stop the building of an Orthodox
Christian church at the location of the house where Mother Teresa was born.

In a letter addressed to the Vatican, the Democratic Union for
Integration, DUI, notes that constructing an Orthodox church at the
exact location in Skopje's centre where the Catholic nun's house used
to stand, would "desecrate the Catholic tradition in the country" and
"cause religious tensions".

The DUI's letter, dated Wednesday, asked Pope Benedict XVI for his support.

Also on Wednesday, DUI legislators called for a no-confidence vote in
the Minister of Culture, Arifikmet Xhemaili, for approving the
government's plan.

"This place is intended for a memorial centre for Mother Teresa. We
are not against the building of an Orthodox church, but not there",
DUI deputy, Safet Neziri, said in parliament.

In January the government decided to finance the building of a church
on Skopje's main square near the foundations of an older church, as
well as a mosque in the north-western town of Tetovo which has a
large population of predominantly-Muslim ethnic Albanians.

The promise of government funding has stirred a public debate with
legal experts claiming that it would violate the separation of state
and religion stipulated in Macedonia's constitution.

Macedonia's Orthodox Church and the country's Islamic Community have
approved the government plans.

Skopje citizens, backed by some architects, have launched a petition
against the initiative, warning of an architectural fiasco since the
planned church in the city centre would be surrounded by modern glass
structures.

The Mayor of Skopje, Trifun Kostovski, has proposed another location
for the building.

Mother Teresa was born Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu in Skopje in 1910.

She founded the Missionaries of Charity in Calcutta, India.

Her work, dedicated to helping the sick, the poor and the terminally
ill, attracted worldwide acknowledgement.

Following her death in 1997 she was beatified by Pope John Paul II in
the first step to her being declared a saint.

Macedonia is mostly populated by Orthodox Macedonians, with around a
quarter of its population comprised of mainly-Muslim Albanians.

A small Catholic community also exists in the country.
Copyright BalkanInsight.com 2008


Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: Halia12] #277428 02/07/08 11:04 PM
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How about doing something that would both anger everyone and satisfy everyone all at once?!

Build a big beautiful Byzantine Catholic Church, and allow both the Latin Church and the Orthodox use as needed.

Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: Michael_Thoma] #277437 02/07/08 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael_Thoma
How about doing something that would both anger everyone and satisfy everyone all at once?!

Build a big beautiful Byzantine Catholic Church, and allow both the Latin Church and the Orthodox use as needed.

Dear Michael,

You would have a great career working for the US State Department. smile Like you, they try to figure out what solution would most upset the Orthodox and do all they can to implement it. If the US State Department doesn't work out, their German or Croatian counterparts might be an option. smile

Fr David Straut

Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: Fr David Straut] #277438 02/07/08 11:54 PM
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Thank you Father for a very good answer. Your sense of humour is greatly appreciated.
Michael, I am sure you are well intentioned, but the Orthodox celebrate their liturgies in an Orthodox church.

Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: Halia12] #277479 02/08/08 04:22 AM
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I would be absolutely dumbfounded if Rome were to oppose the building of an Orthodox church there. That's simply not the way the Vatican works, recently anyway.

Which is really a shame, because in 2008 I'm sure the Catholic Church would never, ever have the chutzpah to build a Catholic church over the house of an Orthodox saint. The fact that the Orthodox are not gracious enough to realize the special nature this spot holds for Catholics and to consider building elsewhere frankly does not shock me.

Alexis

Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: Logos - Alexis] #277499 02/08/08 05:32 AM
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Why does the Church have to be built at that exact location, considering that Mother Teresa was not a member of the Orthodox Church - do the locals recognize her as a Saint?

Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: Fr David Straut] #277500 02/08/08 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Fr David Straut
Dear Michael,

You would have a great career working for the US State Department. smile Like you, they try to figure out what solution would most upset the Orthodox and do all they can to implement it. If the US State Department doesn't work out, their German or Croatian counterparts might be an option. smile

Fr David Straut
Father bless.
It may be that the same guys are playing both sides (both US State Dept. and Serb/Russian Foreign Affairs), since whoever came up with the brilliant idea to build on this site had to know this would greatly upset the people who venerate Mother Teresa and the place she lived.

Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: Michael_Thoma] #277560 02/08/08 02:58 PM
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Father bless.
It may be that the same guys are playing both sides (both US State Dept. and Serb/Russian Foreign Affairs), since whoever came up with the brilliant idea to build on this site had to know this would greatly upset the people who venerate Mother Teresa and the place she lived.

The Lord bless.

I know nothing of this situation other than what I've read here, and that does not give us very clear or complete information. It sounds as though the F.Y.R.O.M. Government has offered to build a church on a spot which the Government itself has chosen without input from the Macedonian Orthodox Church. Human nature being what it is, I don't think it is surprising that sinful human beings want to accept the gift with no questions asked. I don't think it is necessary to ascribe a particularly evil intention to them of wanting to obliterate a site venerated by another religious community. Catholics have expressed doubt whether other Catholics would operate in a similar manner had the site been sacred to the Orthodox, but I really don't think they would. History, and even recent events, tell a different story. Human nature is fallen, after all.

All this being said, I certainly agree that if the site is known to be the birthplace or early home of Mother Teresa of Calcutta, that both the Orthodox Church of Macedonia and the Government of F.Y.R.O.M. should honour that place as sacred to Catholics and build the Orthodox church elsewhere.

This opinion of mine does not negate my little jibe at you for being insensitive to Orthodox sensibilities by making the purportedly humourous suggestion that Orthodox Christians be forced to use a Greek Catholic church if they want to worship in the area.

Fr David Straut


Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: Fr David Straut] #277638 02/09/08 05:38 AM
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This opinion of mine does not negate my little jibe at you for being insensitive to Orthodox sensibilities by making the purportedly humourous suggestion that Orthodox Christians be forced to use a Greek Catholic church if they want to worship in the area.


Oh the horror!!! wink

Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: Byzantophile] #277752 02/10/08 12:17 AM
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I believe that in Tirana, Mother Teresa's family (although Roman Catholic) has a loving friendship the Orthodox Church in Albania. Although I may be very wrong, I can't imagine much that would delight Mother Teresa more than she being used by her Lord and Savior as a vessel of reconciliation between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches. Politics is politics, but Jesus Christ is ... Lord!

Christ Is Among Us! Indeed He Is And Ever Shall Be!

Just My ... Three Cents!

Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: Fr David Straut] #277794 02/10/08 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Fr David Straut

This opinion of mine does not negate my little jibe at you for being insensitive to Orthodox sensibilities by making the purportedly humourous suggestion that Orthodox Christians be forced to use a Greek Catholic church if they want to worship in the area.



While nobody's forcing them, we have Orthodox conducting liturgies in our Greek Catholic church. We also have Syrians using it weekly (as opposed to the monthly of the Indian Orthodox).

hawk, who took the initial comment as similarto the Church of The Nativity and other mixed-used Holy places.

Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: dochawk] #277798 02/10/08 06:53 AM
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I strongly recommend that the bickering come to an immediate end!

Michael's comment, albeit intended to be humorous, had the potential to come across as insensitive and, while unintended, was taken that way by Father David, who reacted accordingly.

Both have made their points and, in the spirit of the present or pending (depending on one's calendar) Holy Season, the asking and granting of mutual forgiveness would be edifying.

The insertion of additional commentary on their remarks by others is unnecessary, unwelcome, and should cease! They do no honor to anyone and are unworthy of this community, serving only to inflame!

The topic of this thread, as with almost any subject, can be discussed without vitroil, it does however require that folks stop, think, and perhaps pray for holy wisdom before putting fingers to keyboard.

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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The topic of this thread, as with almost any subject, can be discussed without vitroil, it does however require that folks stop, think, and perhaps pray for holy wisdom before putting fingers to keyboard.


Please don't take offense, but I think that you may be over reacting. There doesn't really seem to be any vitriol involved in the discussion of this at all. Father David seemed to be a bit offended and I was trying to diffuse the situation with a bit of humor. Others were just trying to interject some helpful advice regarding their own experiences. As they used to say in the 80s: "Everyone take a chill pill".

Now, if you want some REALLY heated debates, try the comment section on the New Liturgical Movement blogspot! The other day you could practically see the proverbial gloves come off...

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Originally Posted by Irish Melkite
I strongly recommend that the bickering come to an immediate end!

Michael's comment, albeit intended to be humorous, had the potential to come across as insensitive and, while unintended, was taken that way by Father David, who reacted accordingly.

Both have made their points and, in the spirit of the present or pending (depending on one's calendar) Holy Season, the asking and granting of mutual forgiveness would be edifying.

The insertion of additional commentary on their remarks by others is unnecessary, unwelcome, and should cease! They do no honor to anyone and are unworthy of this community, serving only to inflame!

The topic of this thread, as with almost any subject, can be discussed without vitroil, it does however require that folks stop, think, and perhaps pray for holy wisdom before putting fingers to keyboard.

Many years,

Neil

I ask forgiveness of Michael and all that I may have offended.

Fr David


Re: Row over Mother Therea's house spot in Macedonia [Re: Fr David Straut] #277856 02/10/08 10:58 PM
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I think it's insult to Christianity to build any type of church on Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu's birthplace. She was nothing but a money grubbing publicity grabber. AFAIC, they should use the land for a garbage dump or a parking lot.

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