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Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Dandelion] #277676 02/09/08 02:45 PM
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Maybe before offering your comments, you should look into the life of what monasticism is. I stand by my comments concerning you and the posts in this thread, that they have been nothing but offered in the spirit of being flippant and disrespectful.

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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Father Anthony] #277679 02/09/08 02:50 PM
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I have, and I'll stick to my thoughts,

call me what you will

God Bless & Love you too! smile

Deanna

Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Dandelion] #277681 02/09/08 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dandelion
that is your opinion,
I do have a respect for the monastic,

what I am trying to understand is why do you
think, or by the religious that it is sinful between a man and a woman?

I am not buying your opinion either

Love You,

Deanna

Deanna,

You need to understand the basics of Christian morality here.

A particular space has been set aside as a place where men can gather for lives of prayer, away from the things of the world that tempt them to sin. Women who purposely attempt to enter the land where the monastery is located would be an occasion of temptation to those attempting to life a Christian life. So a woman who would knowingly enter such a land would be an occasion of sin. [The reverse is also true. A man entering the land where a woman's monastery is located would also be a possible occasion of sin.]

I agree with the others that your earlier attempt at sexual humor was offensive.

John

Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Administrator] #277683 02/09/08 02:55 PM
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Qoute;
(I agree with the others that your earlier attempt at sexual humor was offensive).

Please tell me what & where the sexual humor did I intend or imply?

Deanna


Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Dandelion] #277685 02/09/08 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dandelion
Qoute;
(I agree with the others that your earlier attempt at sexual humor was offensive).

Please tell me what & where the sexual humor did I intend or imply?

Deanna


Here is the offensive post:
Originally Posted by Dandelion
Can anyone be sure that the monks didn't pray for the women to jump the fence, and to come up there for a visit? smile

maybe the women were answering someone's prayer up there on the mt.
Deanna

You suggested that the monks were praying to enter sin, and that God would grant their prayers and encourage their sin. Such a comment is offensive.

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How do you figure that one?

so a visit constitutes a sin?

Sometimes I wonder if what is in your " mind" racing ahead of what it is at the moment you are making it out to be a sin.

God Bless to all

Deanna

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Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Dandelion] #277688 02/09/08 03:06 PM
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I am not buying your opinion either

Love You,

Deanna


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God Bless & Love you too! \:\)


Fine words, Dandelion, you truly understand them?

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I am not buying your opinion either


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Can anyone be sure that the monks didn't pray for the women to jump the fence, and to come up there for a visit? \:\)


Your words are rude.

You show no respect to Father Anthony, who is priest monk of Christ.

Even from the first centuries, the Christianity knows different forms of monasticism, different types. For instance, in the 4th century, in the desert of Egypt, there were monasteries which the women could not visit, but others yes. The Fathers, the monks were respected for their choice. THere were women coming from far away, Rome, etc. And some never succeded to see a certain Father. Others yes.

The sin has 12 steps. All is more complex.

A.............

And there is, of course, the Most Blessed and Holy Mother of God - Theotokos.

It is indeed about lack of respect, opportunities, trespass and disobedience.

God have mercy.

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Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Dandelion] #277689 02/09/08 03:10 PM
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Deanna,

Are you suggesting the monks were praying that the women would climb the fence to join them in the church for Vespers?

I'm sorry, I don't buy it.

I must ask you to be Christian in your posts, and not to purposely bait others. When you registered to be a participant here you agreed to certain rules. Please keep your word.

John

Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Dandelion] #277690 02/09/08 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dandelion
How do you figure that one?

so a visit constitutes a sin?


Ms. Danelion,

What the women did at the protest was not only disrepectful towards the monks, but illegal.

Typical of feminists, you continue to use your sex as the argument. I once visited an all-woman monastery and it too had a wall around its compounds. That wall was there to keep all people, including other women, out. The property behind that wall was reserved for the women who took vows of chastity, poverty, and obedience. ANYONE who breaches that reserved area is being offensive as well as a tresspasser. In my neck of the woods, tresspassers stand a good chance of being met with a gunshot.

Your profile states that you are a learner. Really? But you are a college student, and I don't expect you to understand or learn anything.

Ed

Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Marian] #277691 02/09/08 03:15 PM
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again, I repeat I have respect for the monastic orders,
however you have in your mind already judge me according to
what you think by your "standards" that I said or meant by.

I do not think I was rude,
nor disrespectful to Fr. Anthony ( he labeled my intellegence to be lower than his in which it is, but still didn't help me find an answer to the question)

I do understand and do back my words

Deanna

Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Dandelion] #277692 02/09/08 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dandelion
again, I repeat I have respect for the monastic orders,
however you have in your mind already judge me according to
what you think by your "standards" that I said or meant by.


Ms. Dandelion,

Obviously, you do NOT have any standards. I am beginning to believe that this is not about the issue of property disputes or women climbing fences. This is all about you, isn't it?

Ed

Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Dandelion] #277693 02/09/08 03:17 PM
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Deanna,

Would you care to the exact quote to were I labeled your intelligence less than mine. If you can not give such a quote I am going to demand a retraction publicly.

In IC XC,
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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Dandelion] #277694 02/09/08 03:17 PM
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Dandelion,

So far I have made but one comment on this thread - I have been rather preoccupied since this thread began.

Frankly for someone who proclaims on her Profile to be of Byzantine and Roman religious affiliation I'm appalled at your attitude to the monks.

You may find this inflammatory - if so - too bad.

Your language on this thread has been disgraceful - you have shown absoloutely no understanding of what is involved in monastic life, you have continuously pushed the equality of women [ and that has no place in this thread ] .

I strongly suspect that you are someone who wishes the Ordination of women , and frankly this is abhorrent as well as impossible.

May I suggest you now - since for you it is Lent , spend some time in reflection on the meaning of religious life and then practice a little charity.

Myself - I can ,and do, post this as it is not yet the time of the Great Fast [ the Julian Calendar has it's uses at a time like this ]

Enjoy your Lent

Re: Greek women enter male-only Mount Athos community [Re: Dandelion] #277695 02/09/08 03:18 PM
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Please then would someone, anyone explain to me
why relations between any man and any woman are considered sinful?



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It makes sense now. It's all about Deanna the College Student.

Ed

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