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Copts in Orange County #284667 03/30/08 01:50 PM
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This is interesting. But where is Orange county? I was surprised about the electronic screen. Would sur titles like at the opera be better?

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IN THE SPIRIT: Egyptian Christians have rich history
Coptic Orthodox Christians trace roots to Saint Mark
By BILL CUNNINGHAM
The Orange County Register

A personal journey through the spiritual communities of Orange County.

Egypt a Christian nation?

It once was, and Coptic Christians can trace
their religion to that time and even earlier. All
the way to the first few years after the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

At Archangel Michael Coptic Orthodox Church in
Santa Ana, the sweet aroma of incense fills the
sanctuary as the Rev. Felimon Mikhail
rhythmically swings a censer, sending up puffs of
white smoke as he strolls among the worshippers.
Incense has been used in the church since its
earliest days; for many, the smoke represents
prayers of the faithful rising to heaven.

Beginning at 6:30 each Sunday morning, hundreds
fill the pews to pray in the language of their
ancestors Arabic. They are among 15 million Coptic Christians worldwide.

Surrounded by dozens of icons adorning the
high-domed sanctuary, and scores of Orthodox
crosses painted on walls, sewn onto garments,
chiseled into wood the congregation chants,
prays and celebrates their faith. They are
prompted by electronic screens that display
Arabic, Coptic and English languages.

According to tradition, Saint Mark, author of one
of the four gospels, brought Christianity to
Egypt in the middle of the first century after
Christ. Mark was born in what is now Libya and
"he wanted to give the message to his own people
so he traveled along the Mediterranean shore to
Egypt," said the Rev. Athanasius Ragheb. "Then
after he reached Alexandria, he spread the word (about Jesus Christ)."

Egypt is also considered by many to be where
Christian monasticism began, a movement that
reflects the Coptic Church's emphasis on
submission and humbleness. By the sixth century,
there were hundreds of monasteries, and even more
solitary spiritual dwellings, scattered throughout the Egyptian desert.

Now, Coptic Christians are not only still active
in that predominantly Muslim country, but are
also growing here in Orange County.

"Today Egypt is still 10 percent to 15 percent
Coptic Christian," said Ragheb. "When I say to
someone that I'm Egyptian, they immediately
presume that I'm Muslim, but it's not true."

The Coptic Christian community in Orange County
has been growing ever since 1981, when several
Coptic families purchased a house that was used
as a church. By 1992, a new building was
constructed to accommodate the growing congregation.

Ragheb, 58, married and the father of four
children, has been at the church since 1993. He
estimates that Archangel Michael now has almost
2000 members. "The more we grow, the more we open
other churches," he said. "So, we actually have
opened three churches around us to accommodate
the extra worshippers that we have."

The devotion of a few has again benefited the many.




Re: Copts in Orange County [Re: Halia12] #284694 03/30/08 09:02 PM
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There is certainly an Orange County, New York, and I think that there is an Orange County, California. There may well be others in other states.

Fr. Serge

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It is from Orange county California. The OC is south of Los Angeles. Disneyland is in Orange county.

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Halia12,

Thanks for the link, but it was posted incorrectly. It led to a
"the page you have requested was not found" message.
The link should read: www.ocregister.com/articles/coptic-church-egypt-2007486-christian-christians

Re: Copts in Orange County [Re: griego catolico] #284887 04/01/08 12:56 AM
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There are at least three in Orange County. St. Mary and St. Verana's in Anaheim, St. Marina in Irvine/Lake Forest, and St. Michael's in Santa Ana.

Re: Copts in Orange County [Re: christos_anesti] #284894 04/01/08 02:49 AM
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St. Mary's in Houston has an electronic screen. It was quite helpful the few times I've been to divine liturgy there. I don't think a book could be followed as easily as the screen.

Terry

Re: Copts in Orange County [Re: Terry Bohannon] #285060 04/02/08 02:31 PM
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Neat article, Halia12! Thanks for posting it. The electronic screen definately sounds...interesting. I'm sure it helps people follow along and participate during multi-lingual Liturgies.

Does anyone happen to know the status of Coptic Catholics in the U.S.? I only know of one active parish, in Brooklyn.

God bless and keep you....

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Thomas,

There are two Coptic parishes in the US and two in Canada.

Father Ron Roberson references 3 in the US, but I'm not sure where he got that figure and I've written to ask him about it. Copts in the Chicago area lobbied their Patriarch for a priest on the occasion of a pastoral visit a year or two ago but, as far as I know, nothing has come of that request. The long-time pastor in NYC said several years ago that there was a need for missions to be erected for Copt communities in southern NJ and FL. However, neither has been accomplished and I don't know whether the communities are still viable (the discussion arose almost a decade ago, as I recollect).

You can see details on the US and Canadian parishes here.

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
Re: Copts in Orange County [Re: Fr Serge Keleher] #285428 04/06/08 03:59 PM
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There is certainly an Orange County, New York, and I think that there is an Orange County, California. There may well be others in other states.


There is also one in Florida. Both Disneyland & Disneyworld are in Orange Counties.

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Neil,

Thank you for the info! I appreciate it.

God bless and keep you....

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There is a Coptic Catholic parish in Los Angeles, CA.

Shalom,
Memo

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Originally Posted by Memo Rodriguez
There is a Coptic Catholic parish in Los Angeles, CA.


That's St Mary's - see here and here

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Here's an article about the Coptic Catholic diaspora...I hope the link works.

http://www.cnewa.org/mag-article-bodypg-us.aspx?articleID=442

God bless and keep you....

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Coptic itself - the language - has been having a modest revival; some parents are actually raising their children through Coptic.

It would be interesting to have an analysis of the liturgical differences beween Coptic Orthodox and Coptic Catholics.

Oddly enough, some of the bitterness of the Coptic Orthodox authorities toward the Coptic Catholics has to do with the Ottoman marriage laws. So long as one married within one's own millet, the religious laws of that millet governed the marriage - but otherwise Islamic law governed. When the Coptic Catholics became a distinct, separate millet, this reduced the matrimonial possibilities, and therefore threatened the continuity of the Coptic Orthodox.

Fr. Serge


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