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Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul #289021
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Very recently, Queen Elizabeth of England, and I believe, Prince Phillip, visited Turkey.

I saw photos of her in a mosque and couldn't help but wonder if she had visited the Ecumenical Patriarch.

I read nothing or saw nothing to that effect, but I find it curious since that would be a diplomatic insult to the Orthodox.

Considering that her mother-in-law was an Orthodox nun, her son, Prince Charles, is a friend and regular visitor of Mt. Athos, and that her cousins in Russia were Orthodox saint/martyrs, it would be terrible if, in order to appease the Turks who do so much to oppress the Ecumenical Patriarch, if she deferred to their position in this matter.

Does anyone know if her itenerary included a visit to the EP? BBC did not offer extensive coverage of her trip.

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Alice

Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: Alice] #289023
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Please do share the pictures that you found.

Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: Elizabeth Maria] #289024
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Here is a story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7397544.stm

Here is a photo of her in the mosque...she does NOT look like a happy camper!! LOL!

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...ish-News/NWELayout&cid=1209357625265





Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: Alice] #289025
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Yes, the queen has been placed in a very tough situation.

If she smiles, then she could be accused of disrespect in a house of worship. If she frowns (too much) the same accusations could be made. I think she handles herself well.


Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: Elizabeth Maria] #289031
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Why did she have to wear a headscarf? Islam's code says "head covering", she was already wearing a hat. Why did she have to remove a hat and wear a scarf? Do only Middle Eastern styles of headgear fulfill the requirement?

Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: Michael_Thoma] #289032
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A hat is not a scarf. A Russian scarf would have worked too, but that might have cause irritation.

I do think that it is an ethnic thing. I have seen Russian women wearing middle-eastern type of scarves that drape like those shown in the mosque. But if one wears a scarf that ties under the chin ... well that is too Russian.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: Elizabeth Maria] #289059
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X. B! (Christ is risen!)
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Most hats have brims so negate the execution of a prostration.

Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: Mykhayl] #289065
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Oh, yes, during a prostration the hat would fall off the head, unless it is pinned down.

Hopefully, the Queen did not make a prostration in that mosque.

Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: Elizabeth Maria] #289074
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Did you see all the comments posted about Her Majesty on the IslamOnline?

I want to say that "I rest my case" when it comes to Islam being a religion of hate and violence.

SPDundas
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Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: spdundas] #289077
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This lovely site was sent to me by a fellow poster..

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page6253.asp

Unfortunately, the EP was not included in this itenarary of this official state trip...ofcourse that doesn't say much for the state of Turkey and its obvious lack of esteem for Christianity and the major world Christian leader that lives on its soil. Ofcourse, we all know that his very existence there is a thorn in their Islamic sides, and that they refuse to accept him as a major spiritual leader of Orthodox Christians.

Can you imagine a Christian King or Queen visiting Rome and not requesting a quick visit with the Pope at the Vatican? Perhaps it has happened, but we do hear of many visits to him on state trips, including visits by our Presidents.

I think that Her Majesty should have REQUESTED an audience with the EP, since Prince Phillip's mother of blessed memory was an Orthodox nun, and he was born Greek Orthodox!

As Christians we are looking weaker and weaker in the eyes of the non-Christian world, at a time when a brave solidarity with each other should be of utmost priority.

In Christ our Lord,
Alice

Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: spdundas] #289080
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Originally Posted by spdundas
Did you see all the comments posted about Her Majesty on the IslamOnline?

I want to say that "I rest my case" when it comes to Islam being a religion of hate and violence.

SPDundas
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Yes, a few replies made by Muslims were not kind or proper. However, some were quite civil.

Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: Elizabeth Maria] #289084
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...and what would they surmise if they read some 'Christians' comments about them? Many are not much better.

Just to be fair....

Alice

Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: Alice] #289091
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Thanks for the link, Alice.

Concerning that royal trip, I guess there is much that we will never know.

At least the Queen did not appear to kiss the Quran, because if she had, then the Muslim press would have broadcast it everywhere. Indeed, whenever a Western leader kisses the Quran, it is widely carried by the media, gives Muslims a sense of validity, and then sends a confused message to the rest of the world. In this we Christians show our divisions.

Truly, we should be sending a united message -- one that demonstrates our faith, love, and hope.


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Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: Elizabeth Maria] #289719
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How was Price Philips mother an Othodox nun? Was she Anglican and then converted? Is the prince still GO or did he have to become Anglican to have a shot at the throne?

This is my first post. Its great to be part of this message board.

IgnatiusBenedict

Re: Queen Elizabeth in Istanbul [Re: IgnatiusBenedict] #289720
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Prince Phillip was born a prince of Greece & Denmark in Greece, of the recent and short-lived Greek monarchy. He renounced those titles just before he married the (then) Princess Elizabeth.

His mother, the Princess, retired as an Orthodox nun.

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