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Re: EWTN divine liturgy [Re: Michael McD] #292681 06/22/08 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael McD
Originally Posted by Our Lady's slave
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whether you like it or not - female Servers are permitted in the RC Church. It is left to each Bishop to decide whether they will permit it in their Diocese.

There are many parishes where boys will not come forward to serve - so either the Priest is on his own - or he has girls.


Our's is a "diversity" diocese (so it seems) and the girls are often "on the altar" so to speak, in some parishes. But my parish pastor, who celebrates the TLM weekly or more as well as the NO, seems to have a methodology to counteract it.

One recent Sunday I had to attend the Noon NO Mass, which the pastor was serving, and, by coincidence, during the announcements he mentioned that with the end of the school year, there would be a new class forming for the boys who wished to serve at the altar; "or girls, for that matter" he added with a smile. The context is that, de facto, no girls serve on the altar (though there are ladies who serve as readers for the NO), and the boys dress in cassock and surplice!

So, while the girls are free to take the classes, it sounds to me like the boys wouldn't want their sisters around, and vice versa! It wouldn't be cool .

Michael



One of the arguments against female altar servers is precisely this: it will create more situations of needless conflict and alienation inside the sanctuary.

Having an "unspoken" rule whereby girls are technically allowed in the sanctuary and yet tacitly discouraged from availing of this permission, will only create dissension and anger among not a few girls and women. Why tell them that they can come in, then work so that they'll remain outside? Consistency is the key. Either they are allowed to serve, or not. Period.

Besides, keeping out girls in this manner -- telling them that they can come but with the unspoken rule that they do so at their peril -- can be kept up only with some amount of subtle or not-so-subtle bullying and other pressure tactics. Do we really need that kind of behavior among the servants of our altars?

Finally, we can be certain that not a few female altar servers, serving frequently at the altar, will eventually think: why can't I be a priest? After all, vocations have been traditionally developed through altar serving. The proponents of female altar servers knew what they were doing in the 1970's and 1980's!

In short, it would have been better if the old liturgical laws on this matter -- affirmed as late as 1980 and 1990 by the Holy See only to reverse it in 1992 -- had been kept. Now that the Holy See has allowed it, we have to rein in the consequences -- a task that can be accomplished only with great difficulty.

Re: EWTN divine liturgy [Re: asianpilgrim] #292682 06/22/08 07:55 PM
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I'm not sure why you are worked up about my anecdote. In the parish, it is the children with the "unspoken rule", not the pastor!


Re: EWTN divine liturgy [Re: Michael McD] #292703 06/23/08 12:41 AM
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My Parish Church has no seating for the congregation behind the altar but they moved the Choir from the choir loft to behind the altar so the people could sit in the choir loft heres the website I'm not sure if there are pics or not but just to add compared to some other churches in our are we have it good

www.ctkkcmo.org
in comparison
http://www.stsabina.org/
and yes the GO church is beautiful I wish our churches could find a way to be Modern and still have traditional architecture ...altar rails ect.
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David
P.S if these links don't have links PM me amd let me know I will find some

Re: EWTN divine liturgy [Re: Altar Server] #292714 06/23/08 02:37 AM
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sorry when I said if these inks don't have links o them i meant pics
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Re: EWTN divine liturgy [Re: Logos - Alexis] #293053 06/25/08 06:17 AM
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Dear Alexis,

If you are able to get the TIVO on to DVD (ah, the tyrrany of alphabet soup!) I shall be most grateful. Thanks in advance.

Fr. Serge

Re: EWTN divine liturgy [Re: Fr Serge Keleher] #293054 06/25/08 06:21 AM
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Since the 2012 Eucharistic Congress will be held in Dublin, here is some guidance from over eighty years ago which should be kept in mind in planning the Eastern Catholic components of the event:

“Above all, let us not profane our Liturgy by organizing theatrical performances, or accepting invitations to take part in such exhibitions, in edifices by no means appropriate, mixing several traditions in what frequently becomes a fantastic motley circus of costumes and colours that seems to have no purpose but the amusement of low people.”

Father Cyril Korolevsky, 1927


Y'all come!

Fr. Serge

Re: EWTN divine liturgy [Re: Fr Serge Keleher] #293060 06/25/08 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Serge Keleher
Since the 2012 Eucharistic Congress will be held in Dublin, here is some guidance from over eighty years ago which should be kept in mind in planning the Eastern Catholic components of the event:

“Above all, let us not profane our Liturgy by organizing theatrical performances, or accepting invitations to take part in such exhibitions, in edifices by no means appropriate, mixing several traditions in what frequently becomes a fantastic motley circus of costumes and colours that seems to have no purpose but the amusement of low people.”

Father Cyril Korolevsky, 1927


Y'all come!

Fr. Serge


I've always been under the impression that a lot of my fellow Roman Catholics -- not excluding hierarchs -- still consider the Eastern Catholics to be an amusing sideshow, a nice, exotic diversion that somehow makes up for the drabness of the current liturgical regime in most parishes. (Same applies to how the TLM is seen by a lot of people)

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