It's amazing what one learns on the Forum!

When in Molvania, do as the Molvanians do. Is Molvania on the Baltic, next to Lutonia??

Ung

I think you are mistaken.

I think Molvania is next to Neutronia, the home of the Ecclessial Neutron Bomb.

Some believe that the glow in the sky is the work of the Holy Spirit ...

... some believe otherwise.

The two most famous Lutonians, the Schmenge Brothers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HK2vUv89cw

Ung

All I want to know is why in world the full Rescension is forbidden?

Why not let a church or churches use it? I said before that a place like Holy Ghost in Cleveland that gets 5-10 people on a Sunday couldn't do any worse. Why not let them have a full liturgical schedule (Vespers, Matins, Full Liturgy)? Is the 5-10 people turning into 20-30, etc. the real worry? Is the success that comes with the full liturgy in the few parishes where it has at least been somewhat attempted a fear?

Monomakh

I am a refugee from the Latin Rite which has many more liturgical problems than can ever be listed by someone as ignorant as myself. I can appreciate the intense feelings and knowledgeable insights which many of you provided to the "One Year and One Day" post. However all your views on the "proper" Divine Liturgy seem to pick out different rocks in a stream to stand on. The rocks actually make a path by which we can journey to the Kingdom through the Divine Liturgy. (Please indulge me the use of rocks as a general, not specific, metaphor.)

Because my wife and I started to attend after Easter, 2007, we started with the blue books and proceeded to the green books. We are thrilled to be part of a liturgical practice which has its origins with Holy Fathers Basil and John Chrysostom.

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, consider yourselves fortunate that your beloved Divine Liturgy has not been conformed to emulate Protestant rites (Novus Ordo) and guided by a closeted Freemason (Bugnini).

My beloved and departed mother was Greek Catholic, and although she attended the Latin Rite with my father, her heart was always in St. Mary's in Johnstown from which she was buried.

Each Sunday, and during the week when possible, our hearts are lifted by the Divine Liturgy. May your hearts be also lifted by our Lord, Jesus Christ, who gave us the wonderful gift of Himself through His Apostles.

Reading this thread has been most instructive. I'm wondering if these questions were brought up to the Liturgical Commission, and what the result was?

My own experience of the RDL has been more negative than positive. I suppose that differing groups my find one thing they might like better, but whatever that thing maybe I can't see justyifying the time, cost, and hard feelings that resulted from this endeavor. Indeed, the Church would have benefited more if it had used these resources an attempt to keep the youth in the church.

Regarding the RDL: I am not a fan of the inclusive language, and think it is a result of wanting to cater to the culture. I believe, however, that the Church should be counter-cultural. I don't know enough about music to offer a critque of the new music, nor did I see a reason that it had to change. I'm not sure why we wanted to shorten the liturgy either. We, as a people, need to pray more, not less, the Church should be forward that ideal rather than the opposite one of doing the minimium. Did I read correctly that the Ukrainian Catholic Church is looking at a revision, that will be more traditional?

I know that this thread is a bit dated, but if anyone what the commission said in July, if anything, I would be interested in what they said.

The UGCC Synodal Liturgikon allows essentially the full celebration of the Divine Liturgy according to the Ordo and contains all of the common Divine Liturgy texts necessary to do so - all of the antiphons, Litanies, priest's prayers, etc.

There will likely be no Synod-wide revision in the near future, as the 1988 English version is just now becoming standard, and Patriarch Lubmomyr made it clear he wants the Anthology, the accompanying prayer and pew book for the Divine Liturgy that relies on the Synodal Liturgikon text, to receive wider use in English.

The Synod has declared the Ordo from Rome to be obligatory for the entire UGCC on several occasions, most recently reaffirming this in 2007.