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#295148 - 07/14/08 05:49 PM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: Diak]
Tim Offline
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Loc: Arlington
An interesting thread, to be sure. The observations of the Global Moderator, however, highlight a number of significant obstacles which seem unlikely to be oversome quickly or easily. Setting aside the very real and as-yet-unresolved issues of the extra-territorial jurisdiction of His Beatitude as well as the anomaly that would likely be involved in accomplishing the 'amalgamation' by action of the Roman Pontiff and/or Vatican dicasteries, one is tempted to ask what the purpose of this Slavic Mega-Church might be. Is it likely to reverse the decline in UCC and BCC numbers in this hemisphere? How will it make our Churches more effective bearers of the Gospel Message?


Edited by Diak (07/14/08 08:57 PM)
Edit Reason: Post edited to remove potentially disrespectful reference to a hierarch.

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#295152 - 07/14/08 06:27 PM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: Diak]
JohnS. Offline
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Originally Posted By: Diak


I really do feel that the best course now is for each of us to take our own course, follow our own unique ecclesiastical desires and visions, be confident in our own particularities and evangelize in our own ways. The results will manifest themselves.
FDRLB




Father Deacon,

Where can one find this for the UGCC?

In Christ,

John

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#295157 - 07/14/08 07:21 PM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: Diak]
ebed melech Offline
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Originally Posted By: Diak
Quote:
I for one would favor a united Slavic-Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate in Kyiv and a united Greek Catholic Patriarchate in Antioch. The sooner we Eastern Catholics are able to act as one, the better.

In ICXC,

Fr. Deacon Daniel


Even this proposal, one I strongly advocated on this Forum about five years or so ago in discussions with the Admin and others, leaves us with two, not one. And this ignores the other non-Byzantine Churches who most definitely have the same evangelical mission as we Greek Catholics do.


Good point. I was actually thinking exclusively of Greek Catholic unity, not necessarily the other ritual traditions and Churches.

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#295163 - 07/14/08 09:03 PM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: JohnS.]
Diak Offline
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Look at the acta of the various Synods and Sobors as well as the UGCC Catechetical Directory.
FDRLB

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#295186 - 07/15/08 07:27 AM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: Tim]
JohnS. Offline
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I just spent a fair amount of time on the UGCC website. The press release section is a good read. The acts of the Synods and Sobors are especially interesting. The UGCC has really taken the New Evangelization to heart. This is all very encouraging.

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#295188 - 07/15/08 08:52 AM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: JohnS.]
carson daniel lauffer Offline
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Amen. I just got started. Very interesting.

CDL

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#295206 - 07/15/08 11:50 AM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: carson daniel lauffer]
Jean Francois Offline
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CDL

Think in terms way beyond the USA. You would make a great Greek Catholic (Byzantine) missionary in Ukraine, Belarus, or Kazakhstan. Think about it.

I.F.


Edited by Jean Francois (07/15/08 11:52 AM)

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#295223 - 07/15/08 01:02 PM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: Jean Francois]
carson daniel lauffer Offline
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IF,

I'm a bit old for that...but maybe not. As we were preparing for our mission festival featuring he Iraqi Church last fall we were asked if we could establish a mission fest regard Eastern or Central European Greek Catholic Churches. Sounds like a winner to me. Who do I contact. Perhaps those who are Ukrainian Catholics could help me although I know several Ukrainian Catholics around our area already. Where's Professor Alex?

CDL

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#295233 - 07/15/08 01:26 PM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: carson daniel lauffer]
Orest Offline
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What is the SPR: Ark of Orthodox Carpatho-Russia, run by Fr Dmitri Sydor?

Is there any contact between this organization and Rusyns in the USA or the ACROD?

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#295259 - 07/15/08 06:55 PM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: Orest]
Deacon Robert Behrens Offline
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Originally Posted By: Orest
What is the SPR: Ark of Orthodox Carpatho-Russia, run by Fr Dmitri Sydor?

Is there any contact between this organization and Rusyns in the USA or the ACROD?


I believe that Fr. Dmitri Sydor is pastor of the Orthodox Cathedral (UOC-Moscow Patriarchate) in Uzhorod. I get the ACROD newspaper, "Cerkovnyj Vistnik". They had featured Fr. Dmitri in past articles, such as when represntatives of ACROD had visited Uzhorod. From other sources, I had read that Fr. Dmitri was active politically, and was somewhat of a Rusyn Nationalist. Sounds like a problematic situation if you are in the Moscow Patriarchate.

Dn. Robert

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#295265 - 07/15/08 09:45 PM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: Deacon Robert Behrens]
Pustinik Offline
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Registered: 06/08/08
Posts: 76
Loc: Mid-Atlantic USA

You may find some interesting info on Father Sydor (Ruthenian leader Archpriest Dymytrii Sydor) by searching the English version of this website:

www.risu.org.ua/eng/

Google search on "Sydor" at www.risu.org.ua/eng/

This is the google search (you can copy/lift/paste in browser)

http://www.google.com.ua/custom?domains=risu.org.ua&q=sydor&sitesearch=risu.org.ua&client=pub-4148658215282539&forid=1&ie=windows-1251&oe=windows-1251&safe=active&cof=GALT%3A%23008000%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%23336699%3BVLC%3A663399%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3AFFFFFF%3BLBGC%3A336699%3BALC%3A0000FF%3BLC%3A0000FF%3BT%3A000000%3BGFNT%3A0000FF%3BGIMP%3A0000FF%3BLH%3A63%3BLW%3A66%3BL%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.risu.org.ua%2Fimg%2Flogo.gif%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.risu.org.ua%2F%3BLP%3A1%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en

http://www.risu.org.ua/eng/news/article;15225/

Regards in the Lord,
-Pustinik

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"Acquire a peaceful spirit, and thousands around you will be saved." –St. Serafim of Sarov

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#295274 - 07/15/08 11:11 PM Re: Question re: Ukrainian and Carpatho-Rusyn [Re: Pustinik]
Jean Francois Offline
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Father Sydors is a Russian nationalist. He believes that (Carpatho) Rusyn = Russian and they are one indivisable nation. Therefore, belonging to the Moscow Patriarchate is completely logical for the Father. He is a strong supporter of the 'Third Rome'.

I.f.

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