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#295750 - 07/21/08 03:44 PM
Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week
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As partriach of the Mother Church of Ukraine, the Ecumenical Patriach will play a vital role in the celebrations next week. State Celebration of Kyivan Rus Baptism to be Held 24 to 27 July 21.07.2008, [17:29] // Church-state relations // Kyiv Iryna Vannykova, press secretary of the president of Ukraine, at a press briefing on 21 July 2008 reported that events to celebrate the 1020th anniversary of the Baptism of Kyivan Rus will start on 24 July with the president meeting members of the All-Ukrainian Council of Churches and Religious Organizations and continue to 27 July. On 25 July Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I will be ceremonially met at Boryspil Airport in Kyiv. At 18.00 the patriarch will celebrate vespers at St. Sophias Cathedral and bless the bells and royal doors. According to Vannykova, on 26 July it is planned that the president and the patriarch on Sophias Square will speak and attend a performance of literary and musical compositions of spiritual and ecclesiastical works. It is also planned that after the completion of the ceremonies, the president of Ukraine and the ecumenical patriarch will go to Michaels Square, where they will place flowers at the Monument to the Victims of the Holodomor [forced famine] of 1932-3. After placing flowers, Bartholomew I will celebrate a panakhyda [memorial service] for the victims of the great famine, said Vannykova. She also reported that on 27 July on Volodymyrs Hill a festive Liturgy will be celebrated by Patriarch Bartholomew I near the Monument to St. Volodymyr. The higher leaders of the country, leaders of foreign delegations and the national Orthodox churches will take part in the Liturgy, said Vannykova. Source: http://www.president.gov.ua/news/10707.html The Ukrainian version is available here: http://www.president.gov.ua/news/10707.html
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#295754 - 07/21/08 05:03 PM
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A startling report, to put it mildly. We shall watch with interest to see what happens this weekend.
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#295758 - 07/21/08 06:02 PM
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Slava Isusu Khrestu
Very interesting indeed!
I wonder how Moscow will view it and will the Moscow Patriarch offer prayers for the millions of the Victims of the Holodomor [forced famine] of 1932-3. Should I hold my breath?
We can only wait.
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#295762 - 07/21/08 07:08 PM
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Read this. http://www.risu.org.ua/eng/religion.and.society/analysis/article;23519/ It is so nice to see that reppresentatives from all the orthodox world will take part.
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#295773 - 07/21/08 10:00 PM
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Has the Ecumenical Patriarchate confirmed this news?
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#295778 - 07/21/08 11:25 PM
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The MP has officially denied that the Holodomor was a true genocide, and on top of that, the UOC-MP considers UAOC and UOC-KP to be schismatic, so don't hold your breath. Nor should we expect the UOC-MP to behave in any other way.
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#295782 - 07/22/08 12:47 AM
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10,000,000 victims and not even a candle?
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#295784 - 07/22/08 01:33 AM
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10,000,000 victims and not even a candle? I don't know if there were any candles, but I agree that it is hard to sustain the idea that there was no genocide.
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#295785 - 07/22/08 01:45 AM
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Here is Asia News' take on the matter. (I can't access the actual AN website so I'm putting it here via the website of the POI) Asia News is known for its hostility to the Moscow Patriarchate, btw. http://www.pontificalorientalinstitute.com/news/catholic-world/bartholomew-i-in-kiev.html
Bartholomew I in Kiev Written by Administrator Monday, 21 July 2008
From July 25-27, ecumenical patriarch Bartholomew I will visit Kiev to preside over the celebrations for the 1020 years of the Christianization of Ukraine.
The visit should help to unite the Orthodox world, often divided by nationalism. At the solemn liturgy in the cathedral of Kiev, and in the presence of various metropolitans from all over the world, the hierarchical order of the Eastern Church will be displayed, which recognizes the ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople as first in the hierarchy, followed by Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Moscow.
In recent days, there have been controversies and reactions from the Russian side over the role of Bartholomew as leader of the ceremonies. In the end, however, Moscow decided to be present in the liturgy with Alexy II himself. This acceptance on the part of Moscow is judged by many as a "victory" for Bartholomew I. For some time, Moscow ("the third Rome") has been contending with Constantinople ("the second Rome") for the position of leadership in the Orthodox world.
In recent days, some Ukrainian journalists have gone to visit Bartholomew, and this has allowed the patriarch to make some clarifications for those who understand Orthodoxy as "a battleground for primacy".
Bartholomew I first of all thanked Ukrainian President Yushenko for inviting him and the patriarch of Moscow, Alexy II, as well as all of the Orthodox Churches of the world. He then recalled the efforts of the patriarch of Constantinople to resolve in a collegial manner the problems afflicting the Orthodox world: the rebirth of the Albanian Church; the (contested) patriarchate of Jerusalem; the sufferings of the Church of Cyprus, etc. Bartholomew I emphasized that this effort (and primacy) is at the service of the sister Churches, and must not be understood as the primacy of the pope of Rome. "The ecumenical patriarcate", Bartholomew I said, "is sometimes accused of becoming a second pope, a pope of the Eastern Church. By its nature, the ecumenical patriarchate is not the pope of the East. In spite of this, everyone makes use of its services, because [Constantinople] is the mother Church of the Orthodox Christian world, its point of reference and coordination".
Bartholomew I recalled the evangelization of the Slavs, by Cyril and Methodius, which took place in respect of national identity, avoiding Hellenization; the autonomy granted to the churches of the Balkans, of Ukraine and Russia. "In its activities", the patriarch continued, "Constantinople's sole aim is the ecclesial and spiritual interest of human development, and not those of politics".
Bartholomew also thanked the Turkish authorities, who, for the first time, asked to be involved in the program of celebrations for the Christianization of Ukraine: the Turkish ambassador to Kiev will even hold a reception in honor of the delegation from the ecumenical patriarchate.
There are still some shadows hanging over the visit: Chrysostomos II, the Orthodox archbishop of Cyprus, had expressed his desire to go to Kiev, but after meeting with patriarch Alexy, he said that he will not be at the celebrations, "because the Church of Moscow does not want this". Chrysostomos even said that "Alexy told me that he is not happy with what is happening in Kiev". The statements of the archbishop of Cyprus were made in the context of visits to the island from various Russian political personalities, who promised their support for the solution of the Cypriot question.
So far, the ecumenical patriarchate has not commented on the stance of the Cypriot Church.
But in the intellectual Orthodox world, there are murmurs that "once again in the Orthodox world, national interests are prevailing over that of the universal message of Christ". A well-known Orthodox theologian, who wanted to remain anonymous, tells AsiaNews that "unfortunately, in the Orthodox world there are pockets where the globalizing spirit of the gas pipelines outweighs the universal spirit of Christ". "In this way", he concludes, "there is further confirmation of the importance of the role of Constantinople, which, rich in suffering and experience, has always refused to put national political interests before the message of Christ".
News by Asia News
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#295790 - 07/22/08 04:06 AM
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Thanks for all the posts "as the news turns". I enjoy reading these news reports on the FORUM as it develops before reading it next week in the various weeklies. As with any news, including CHURCH NEWS all these views give balance.
Mykhayl
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#295802 - 07/22/08 08:52 AM
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Slava ISusu Khrestu
Hello Jean I tried to send you a thank-you but I aways end up sending it to myself! ( Only I who just graduated from "The Neolithic-cave-painting school" can do ) So here goes Slava Isusu Khrestu!
Djakujem/Thanks/Merci Mille Fois. Jean
for the information.
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#295817 - 07/22/08 11:59 AM
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Fr. Dcn. Randy:
Looking at the picture you posted, the representative of the Roman Catholic Church appears to be not a Cardinal as he is not wearing "reds" at all.
He does not look like Cardinal Jaworski, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of L'viv, either.
Could he be Archbishop Ivan Jurkovic, the Apostolic Nuncio (since 2004) to Ukraine?
Amado
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#295819 - 07/22/08 12:24 PM
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Has the Ecumenical Patriarchate confirmed this news? This was issued last month by the EP: PRESS RELEASE During its regular session, held on June 23-25, 2008, The Holy and Sacred Synod reviewed the invitations of His Beatitude Alexy, Patriarch of Moscow, requesting a Patriarchal Delegation to attend the festivities of the 1020th anniversary of the Christianization of the Kievan Rus and of His Excellency Viktor Yushchenko, President of Ukraine, to His All Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew to personally lead the aforementioned festivities. Having evaluated the invitations of the Church, Nation and the Ukrainian people, and in honoring their feelings, the Mother Church – as the one who originally guided the Ukrainian people into baptism – decided to respond to the aforementioned invitations through the sending of a Patriarchal Delegation under the personal leadership of His All Holiness. At the Patriarchate, 2 July 2008 From the Chief Secretariat of the Holy Synod http://www.ec-patr.org/docdisplay.php?lang=en&id=951&tla=en I wouldn't trust Asia News for accurate reporting, so please let's stick to the topic. Also let's all pray for good weather this weekend for the outdoor celebrations and that all participating will be richly blessed.
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#295845 - 07/22/08 06:57 PM
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Looking at the picture you posted, the representative of the Roman Catholic Church appears to be not a Cardinal as he is not wearing "reds" at all. The cope the RC bishop is wearing is one of the colors for funerals. If you look closely his zucchetto appears to be cardinal red. BOB
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#295864 - 07/23/08 04:33 AM
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It seems that both the UOC-KP and the EP have DENIED that there will be any concelebration or communion this coming July 26. Emphases mine. http://www.risu.org.ua/eng/news/article;23571/
“Schism in World Orthodoxy Being Prepared in Kyiv,” Says UOC-MP Rep 22.07.2008, [17:09] // UOC-MP //
Moscow-Kyiv— Ukraine is again on the edge of a serious interchurch conflict, like that which happened in the 1990s, with seizing of churches and physical conflicts of Orthodox groups. But this time not between the Kyivan and Moscow patriarchates but between the Moscow and Constantinople patriarchates. So said Archimandrite Kyryl (Hovorun), head of the Department of External Church Contacts of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP) on 21 July 2008.
According to Fr. Kyryl, literally in the last few days discussions have become active between Kyiv and Constantinople with the direct participation of Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko. The content is this: already during Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople’s trip to Kyiv for the celebration of the 1020th anniversary of the Baptism of Rus-Ukraine on 26 July there is an agreement that the patriarch will announce the joining to his church of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church-Kyivan Patriarchate (UOC-KP) and Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (UAOC). In such an event, both these structures will lose any self-government; Patriarch Filaret (Denysenko), head of the UOC-KP, will cease to be patriarch but will become a metropolitan, and, in addition, only the patriarch of Constantinople will have the right to appoint metropolitans and bishops. However, canonical status will be gained. To the present, neither the UOC-KP nor the UAOC are recognized by other national Orthodox churches. Under such conditions, a significant number of parishes of the Moscow Patriarchate in the western part of the country can transfer under the jurisdiction of Constantinople, for this will already be a canonical church.
According to Fr. Kyryl, this will lead to very sharp conflicts in the religious environment and in Ukrainian politics, new seizures of churches, and, most importantly, to a schism in all world Orthodoxy. For then a global conflict will start between the Moscow and Constantinople patriarchates. Part of the Orthodox churches will stand on the side of Moscow, part with Constantinople.
According to Fr. Kyryl, all this can make doubtful the trip of Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexis II to Ukraine for the celebration. Patriarch Alexis II named two conditions for his participation in the event: (1) Patriarch Bartholomew refusing to make a statement about the status of the UOC-KP and (2) no participation of Ukrainian “schismatics” in religious services with the patriarch of Constantinople.
Fr. Kyryl does not exclude the possibility that the transfer of the UOC-KP “under Constantinople” can happen, if not during the celebration of the Baptism of Rus, then later. Discussions about this are going on very actively, he said, though not without difficulties. According to Fr. Kyryl, Yushchenko and Patriarch Filaret would like the UOC-KP to receive autocephaly (self-government) from Constantinople very soon. But he said that Patriarch Bartholomew I has other plans. “Now his church has 3 million members, spread over the whole world. Receiving Ukraine, he significantly will increase his flock. Yushchenko expects that he will not refuse at the last minute,” said Fr. Kyryl.
However, the UOC-KP and Patriarchate of Constantinople categorically deny that during the celebration Patriarch Bartholomew will make similar statements.
The UOC-KP confirms that it is considering transferring under the jurisdiction of Constantinople as one possible future variant and that dialogue is going on with Patriarch Bartholomew; however no one will announce this on 26 July (even more so because Patriarch Bartholomew does not want to start a dispute with Patriarch Alexis).
UOC-KP Bishop Yevstratii (Zoria) told the newspaper “Sehodnia” (Today): “This question was considered at a meeting between the delegation of the Patriarchate of Constantinople and us in Kyiv that happened in May of this year. It was organized through the mediation of Viktor Yushchenko. But no decision has yet been made, and during the trip of Bartholomew he will not talk about the UOC-KP joining his patriarchate.” Sources:
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#295883 - 07/23/08 01:36 PM
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[quote[u]]The UOC-KP confirms that it is considering transferring under the jurisdiction of Constantinople as one possible future variant and that dialogue is going on with Patriarch Bartholomew; [/u
The best news of all - emphasis mine. This is precisely what puzzles me. I thought that the UOC-KP is struggling for an autocephalous Patriarchal church? If this transfer of jurisdiction does happen, then the UOC-KP will in fact be abolishing itself and accepting the reduced status of an Archbishopric. Even if the UOC-KP were to dissolve and come under Constantinople, I don't think the UAOC and certain hierarchs of the UOC-KP will be happy. Even if the UOC-KP were to then claim, "oh, don't worry, after we become part of Constantinople, Constantinople will make us autocephalous and allow us to become a canonical Patriarchate", there would still be three serious questions: a) If the UOC-KP abolishes itself, then does that not validate the UOC-MP's criticism that the UOC-KP was never a legitimate Patriarchate in the first place? Patriarchates have disappeared in the past, but never voluntarily in order to come under another Patriarchate. b) What assurance will the UOC-KP have that it will, indeed, be granted its autocephaly very quickly? If there is anything that Constantinople has shown in the 20th century, it is that it relinquishes as little power as it can. (Same with Moscow in general.) c) Will not such a move impact negatively on the UGCC? UGCC's main argument for patriarchal status is that it is a mature, local Eastern church. If the UOC-KP -- which is far larger than the UGCC -- were to dissolve itself to come under the EP, then why should Rome recognize the UGCC's patriarchal status?
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#295885 - 07/23/08 01:47 PM
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Take this report for whatever it's worth - and no, I don't know what "KED" is - Fr. Serge
KED: July 23, 2008
Church tension running high
The head of the Church of Greece, Archbishop Ieronymos, will attend a service in Kiev on Sunday despite threats by the Russian Orthodox Church that it could split from the Ecumenical Patriarchate over possible recognition of the Ukrainian Church.
The service in Kiev, held to mark 1,020 years since the Christianization of the Russians, has taken on an air of controversy after Russian Patriarch Alexy II launched a verbal attack against the spiritual leader of Orthodox Christians, Ecumenical Patriarch Vartholomaios.
Vartholomaios responded yesterday by sending a letter to Alexy calling his remarks “insulting.”
Alexy had called for Orthodox leaders to boycott the service in Kiev but, in a vote held by Greece’s Holy Synod yesterday, it was decided by 11 votes in favor to one against that Ieronymos should go. He will be accompanied by the bishops of Chios and Preveza.
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#295933 - 07/24/08 04:21 AM
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As an RC in the Phillipines you certainly seem to have quite a fascination with the UOC-KP situation. Hmmm.
I've always been interested in current events in the Churches that have apostolic succession. And, for reasons that are too complex to explain now, I actually get asked a lot of questions by many of my countrymen about these things... For that matter, should anything dramatic happen in Ukraine in the next few days, I just might find myself writing a report on this situation and putting it on Rorate Caeli, and I'd like to have as much background info as I can gather.
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#295967 - 07/24/08 06:49 PM
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I suggest that the solution does not depend upon us!
Fr. Serge
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#296056 - 07/26/08 09:31 AM
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It would not be fair if the UOC-KP seeks recognition by Constantinople if this does not involve other Churches in Ukraine . . . Why?  If a group wants to approach the Ecumenical Patriarch to establish communion with him, and through him to the rest of the canonical Orthodox Churches, why is that unfair to others who do not want to do so? If a group of us are standing in the rain and one of us asks to be taken in out of the rain, why does this one have to wait for the others? I understand that the situation is far more complicated than that, but the comparison does bring the question into focus. On the other hand, I rather doubt that the EP would take the groups under its jurisdiction and then immediately make them autocephalous. Autocephaly comes with years of maturity during which a normal Church's life flowers. At the present, the various groups don't "play well together" so cutting them loose might be a disaster for them all. There are those who feel that they need to be tightly bond to the MP; there are those who want to be in communion with Rome; there are those who want to be autocephalous--two groups that have yet to get together. Out of all this, it seesm that making one group of them all and letting them be autocephalous is not a formula for peaceful growth in the Faith. In Christ, BOB
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#296088 - 07/26/08 04:41 PM
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I am interested about the situation of the Ukrainian Churches because nearly all of them, with the exception of the UOC-MP, have a presence in Latin America:
Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church - Mefodyi:
A Colombian prelate who had been ordained by a schismatic Brazilian breakaway group was received by Metropolitan Michael Champion who did not re-ordain them (I find them very doubtful). They have some worship houses in Colombia and Venezuela.
Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church - Moisey:
A Mexican prelate who had been part of a vagant jurisdiction was received by this Church. They have renounced vagantism and are now quite Orthodox (despite the strange conduct of Moisey in Ukraine). The problem is that I don't know if they were properly re-ordained. They have some monasteries and missions.
Ukrainian Autonomous Orthodox Church in America - Ioan
They left Moisey's group and are now autonomous. They consecrated Bishop Chrysostom of Ecuador, who was an Antiochian Orthodox priest (there are no doubts about his orders). In South-America they are doing a very good job.
The thing here is that if the first UAOC (and its diaspora diocese) merges with the KP and becomes a part of the EP, the Colombian group will become canonical but their orders would still be doubtful. They would have to be re-ordained, no canonical hierarch would concelebrate with them unless they are re-ordained.
Same with the group of Bishop Daniel of Mexico, in case they seek union with a unified UAOC, they would need to be re-ordained.
Bishop Chrysostom is the most serious of all, but his Church does not seem to take part in the negociations with the EP.
It would be wonderful if all of them are included in an Exarchate for Latin America. Canonical or not, the Ukrainians are open to a native Orthodoxy, the Canonical groups (with the exception of the OCA) have no interest in evangelizing, and opening missions for our Latin American nations.
They stay with their small churches and their ethnic community.
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#296113 - 07/26/08 11:06 PM
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C. I. X. A friend sent me these news clips. This first one shows the Ecumenical Patriarch at the Kyiv airport, Pacheska Lavra (Cave Monastery) and Sophia Sabor (XI c Sophia Cathedral with the Ukrainian president and his US wife. http://www.1plus1.ua/video/391/If a picture is worth a thousand words it was interesting even for those who know no Ukrainian. On the other hand this next clip of the arrival of His Beatitude to the Kyiv airport will be of more interest with those who know Ukrainian. http://news.1plus1.ua/ukrayina/patriarh-varfolomii-i-pribuv-v-ukrayinu.htmlNews in the making on the FORUM.
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#296114 - 07/26/08 11:32 PM
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C. I. X. Found a third treasure (how Ukrainian in threes). Through the streets of Kyiv, at the sight for the outdoor Liturgy under Oranta and praying for the 10m Famine Victims. Even without understanding the eye candy tells it all. http://news.1plus1.ua/bin/video.php?medi...#media_id=76918News in the making on the FORUM. Remember where you experienced Church News. http://www.1plus1.ua/video/349/
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#296119 - 07/27/08 12:22 AM
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President Yushchenko met the Ecumenical Patriarch at the airport: 25.07.2008 10:38 Press office of President Victor Yushchenko President welcomes Patriarch Bartholomew I in Ukraine President Victor Yushchenko welcomed in Ukraine Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I. The welcoming ceremony took place today at Boryspil airport. In his greeting word President Yushchenko thanked Patriarch Bartholomew I for his efforts in promoting spiritual values around the world. He also stressed that Ukrainians consider the visit an exhibit of deep Christian love to the whole Ukrainian nation. Patriarch Bartholomew I from his part thanked President Yushchenko for the invitation to take part in celebration of 1020th anniversary of Baptism of Rus’. “We arrived here to pray for unification of all the Christians of Ukraine. We arrived here as angels of peacewho desire unity”, - he said. Together with President, President’s Chief of Staff Viktor Baloha, NSDC Secretary Raisa Bohatyryova, former President of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk, Vice Prime Minister Ivan Vasyunyk, Minister for Culture Vasyl Vovkun, Defense Minister Yuriy Yekhanurov, His Beatitude Vladimir, Metropolitan of Kiev and all Ukraine, other officials. http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/10735.html Both Metropolitan Volodymyr (MP) and the Ecumenical Patriarch went to pecherska Lavra to pray together. Nice to see everyone getting along: 25.07.2008 11:50 Press office of President Victor Yushchenko President prays in Kyiv Pechersk Lavra President Victor Yushchenko took part in a festive service on the occasion of 1020th anniversary of Christianization of Kyivan Rus’. The service took part in Kyiv Pechersk Lavra and was conducted by Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I and Metropolitan of Kyiv and All Ukraine Volodymyr. After the service Metropolitan Volodymyr and Patriarch Bartholomew I said greeting words and exchanged presents. Together with President, members of the government and delegates from foreign Orthodox Churches, who arrived to Ukraine to take part in the celebration also took part in the event. http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/10738.html The liturgy at St. Sophia: President takes part in festive liturgy at St. Sophia Cathedral Together with his wife Kateryna Yushchenko, President Victor Yushchenko went to Saint Sophia Cathedral to take part in a festive evening liturgy, celebrating 1020th anniversary of Kyivan Rus’ Christianization. The liturgy was conducted by Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I. Before the liturgy Patriarch Bartholomew I blessed over the new bells and the restored Holy Gates for the Cathedral. The idea of Holy Gates and bells restoration at St. Sophia Cathedral belonged to President Yushchenko. After the service President Yushchenko and Patriarch Bartholomew I left their notes in the Book of Honorable Guests of Kyivan Sophia national preserve. http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/10744.html Government dinner in hnour of Ecumenical Patriarch: 25.07.2008 20:16 Press office of President Victor Yushchenko President hosts dinner for the Ecumenical Patriarch President Victor Yushchenko hosted a dinner in honor of Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I. In his toast President said that celebration of 1020th anniversary of Baptism of Kyivan Rus’ is very important for strengthening ties between Christians Ukraine and the world. “I am assure that this year’s celebration is important for … strengthening unity of world’s orthodox community”, - he said. From his part Patriarch Bartholomew I pointed to the fact that many saints and martyrs, important figures of Christianity descended from the Ukrainian nation. “That is why this celebration is really grand. I praise and greet those people who have been working on its realization”, - said Patriarch Bartholomew I. http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/10752.html Finally for today, a speech by President Yushchenko calling for church unity: 26.07.2008 12:50 Press office of President Victor Yushchenko President calls to unity among churches in Ukraine President Victor Yushchenko and Mrs. Kateryna Yushchenko took part in a festive gathering on the occasion of 1020th anniversary of Kyivan Rus’ Christianization on Sophyivska Square in front of Kyiv St. Sophia Cathedral. In his address President greeted all Ukrainians with this holiday. “It is a festival of Christianity, a festival of the European civilization. It is a festival of world’s Christian community and a festival of Orthodox Christianity. It is a festival of our nation with thousands of years of history”, - President said. In his speech Victor Yushchenko also expressed hope for unification of Ukrainian Orthodox Churches. “I believe that with wisdom and perseverance we will walk through the path towards a dream. I believe that any partition of Ukrainian faithful is not for long. I believe that national Ukrainian Church will appear in Ukraine as a gift from God, as a historical truth and fairness”, - he said. Addressing Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I President Yushchenko asked for his blessing for Ukraine and its nation. Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I, from his part, praised the idea of the Ukrainian authorities to celebrate 1020th anniversary of Kyivan Rus' Baptism. “We wholeheartedly accepted the honoring invitation of His Excellency, the President of Ukraine Mr. Viktor Yushchenko to participate in the festive ceremonies for the 1020th anniversary of the baptism of the Ukrainian nation to Christianity by the Mother Church because, on the one hand, the contribution of the Ecumenical Patriarchate to the Christianization of the European peoples is celebrated by that multifaceted event, and, on the other hand, because by that event the new, European prospects of the Ukrainian nation are emphasized at a time of great and rapid changes worldwide. The Mother Church rejoices together with the pious Ukrainian people because that baptism remains an inexhaustible source of strength not only supporting its internal spiritual coherence, but also utilizing it fully in the important field of international relationships”, - he said. He also encouraged everybody to renew the role of Christianity as a factor for unification in the name of the holiday. “It is a common duty of the civic, political, ecclesiastical and in general intellectual leadership of the Ukrainian people to utilize by every appropriate means the God-given gift of the Baptism not only for the immediate cure of various confusions and traumatic events of the historic past, but also for the restoration of the cohesive role that the Orthodox Church played in the consciousness of the Christ-loving Ukrainian nation. If this confusion is prolonged in order to serve ethnophyletic or political ends and purposes foreign to the Church's spiritual character would abolish the cohesive power of the Baptism and would worsen the already dangerous division of the ecclesial body, a division that wounds not only spiritual unity but also the communal coherence of the Ukrainian people with obvious troublesome consequences for the future of Ukraine”, - said Patriarch Bartholomew I. http://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/10756.html Tomorrow is the last day of the celebrations. The events of the celebrations of the 1020th anniversary of the Baptism of Rus are being broadcast on these Ukrainian TV stations. Live broadcast on the channels Inter, 1+1, ICTV, First National, and 5, and other national and foreign tv channels (part II). Satellite for live broadcast: satellite Sirius 4 at 4.8°E; frequency 12723,75; polarization V (vertical) FEC 78 SR 3,333. I am presently visiting my sister in Toronto. Some people in Toronto get a Ukrainian TV station on cable TV. Not my family. Too bad because i would love to watch it all. I ask all to continue to pray for good weather for the outdoor events and peace. Orest
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#296129 - 07/27/08 02:59 AM
Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week
[Re: Orest]
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Will the MP and the EP still concelebrate a Hierarchical Divine Liturgy, or has all concelebration been called off?
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#296144 - 07/27/08 05:32 PM
Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week
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Still on the subject  I've been looking at some photos and have been stuck over one - and would appreciate an explanation Ukraianian President's page and go to page 24 of the photo gallery and chose pic 6. Now in the centre of that group of Bishops is one in a phelonion . I was asking my GodPapa and he said it was a priest - BUT he had 2 pectoral crosses and I then commented that his mitre had a cross on it and a mitred ArchPriest does not have a cross on his mitre [ at least to my imperfect knowledge  ] Elucidation would be appreciated 
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#296145 - 07/27/08 06:10 PM
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2 pectoral crosses and a mitre with cross on top do not a hierarch make. Though he really should get that cross taken off the mitre.
Fr. Serge
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#296147 - 07/27/08 06:18 PM
Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week
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Thanks Fr Serge  Pity whoever it was was right in the middle of that photo and it really got my attention. Still - asking awkward questions is one way to learn
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#296214 - 07/28/08 05:07 PM
Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week
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Слава Ісусу Христу!
Pictures of (UGCC) Patriarch Lubomyr’s (Husar) celebration in Kyiv
http://www.ugcc.org.ua/ukr/press-releases/article;7331/
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#296216 - 07/28/08 05:18 PM
Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week
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Sorry I don't know why it is not connection now.
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#296237 - 07/28/08 11:19 PM
Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week
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Слава Ісусу Христу! If you have had problems receiving pictures of the Greco Catholics celebrating in Kyiv, I apologies. Hopefully these of the Greek Orthodox will make amends. http://www.day.kiev.ua/205165/
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