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#295750 - 07/21/08 03:44 PM Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week
Orest Offline
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As partriach of the Mother Church of Ukraine, the Ecumenical Patriach will play a vital role in the celebrations next week.

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State Celebration of Kyivan Rus Baptism to be Held 24 to 27 July
21.07.2008, [17:29] // Church-state relations //

Kyiv— Iryna Vannykova, press secretary of the president of Ukraine, at a press briefing on 21 July 2008 reported that events to celebrate the 1020th anniversary of the Baptism of Kyivan Rus will start on 24 July with the president meeting members of the All-Ukrainian Council of Churches and Religious Organizations and continue to 27 July.

On 25 July Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I will be ceremonially met at Boryspil Airport in Kyiv. At 18.00 the patriarch will celebrate vespers at St. Sophia’s Cathedral and bless the bells and royal doors.

According to Vannykova, on 26 July it is planned that the president and the patriarch on Sophia’s Square will speak and attend a performance of literary and musical compositions of spiritual and ecclesiastical works.

“It is also planned that after the completion of the ceremonies, the president of Ukraine and the ecumenical patriarch will go to Michael’s Square, where they will place flowers at the Monument to the Victims of the Holodomor [forced famine] of 1932-3. After placing flowers, Bartholomew I will celebrate a panakhyda [memorial service] for the victims of the great famine,” said Vannykova.

She also reported that on 27 July on Volodymyr’s Hill a festive Liturgy will be celebrated by Patriarch Bartholomew I near the Monument to St. Volodymyr. “The higher leaders of the country, leaders of foreign delegations and the national Orthodox churches will take part in the Liturgy,” said Vannykova.

Source:


http://www.president.gov.ua/news/10707.html


The Ukrainian version is available here:
http://www.president.gov.ua/news/10707.html

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#295754 - 07/21/08 05:03 PM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: Orest]
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A startling report, to put it mildly. We shall watch with interest to see what happens this weekend.

Fr. Serge

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#295758 - 07/21/08 06:02 PM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: Serge Keleher]
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Slava Isusu Khrestu

Very interesting indeed!

I wonder how Moscow will view it and will the Moscow Patriarch offer prayers for the millions of the Victims of the Holodomor [forced famine] of 1932-3. Should I hold my breath?

We can only wait.

Z Bohom
Nycholaij
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#295762 - 07/21/08 07:08 PM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: Garajotsi]
Miller Offline
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Read this.
• http://www.risu.org.ua/eng/religion.and.society/analysis/article;23519/
It is so nice to see that reppresentatives from all the orthodox world will take part.

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#295771 - 07/21/08 09:50 PM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: Miller]
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I bet there will be big fireworks with the Patriarch of Moscow!
Stephanos I

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#295773 - 07/21/08 10:00 PM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: Stephanos I]
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Has the Ecumenical Patriarchate confirmed this news?

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#295774 - 07/21/08 10:06 PM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: Garajotsi]
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Quote:
Slava Isusu Khrestu

Very interesting indeed!

I wonder how Moscow will view it and will the Moscow Patriarch offer prayers for the millions of the Victims of the Holodomor [forced famine] of 1932-3. Should I hold my breath?

We can only wait.

Z Bohom
Nycholaij


I wouldn't hold my breath, brat' Nikolaj. President Yushchenko invited Metropolitan Vladimir (UOC-MP) last November to the joint Panakhyda for the victims of the Holodomor along with the other Church leaders.

Patriarch +Filaret of the UOC-KP was present as was Metropolitan +Mefodiy of the UAOC; His Grace Bishop +Bohdan (Dzurakh) represented His Beatitude +Lubomyr for the UGCC; the RC cardinal was present as was a representative of the Armenian Apostolic community. Metropolitan Vladimir did not attend nor even send a representative. To ignore praying for the dead on a national day of remembrance of a famine-genocide that has affected your own people is unconscionable.




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#295778 - 07/21/08 11:25 PM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: Diak]
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The MP has officially denied that the Holodomor was a true genocide, and on top of that, the UOC-MP considers UAOC and UOC-KP to be schismatic, so don't hold your breath. Nor should we expect the UOC-MP to behave in any other way.

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#295782 - 07/22/08 12:47 AM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: asianpilgrim]
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10,000,000 victims and not even a candle?

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#295783 - 07/22/08 01:02 AM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: Mykhayl]
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.....


Edited by Jean Francois (07/22/08 01:05 AM)

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#295784 - 07/22/08 01:33 AM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: Mykhayl]
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Originally Posted By: Mykhayl
C. I. X.

10,000,000 victims and not even a candle?


I don't know if there were any candles, but I agree that it is hard to sustain the idea that there was no genocide.

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#295785 - 07/22/08 01:45 AM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: asianpilgrim]
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Here is Asia News' take on the matter. (I can't access the actual AN website so I'm putting it here via the website of the POI)

Asia News is known for its hostility to the Moscow Patriarchate, btw.


Quote:
http://www.pontificalorientalinstitute.com/news/catholic-world/bartholomew-i-in-kiev.html

Bartholomew I in Kiev
Written by Administrator
Monday, 21 July 2008

From July 25-27, ecumenical patriarch Bartholomew I will visit Kiev to preside over the celebrations for the 1020 years of the Christianization of Ukraine.

The visit should help to unite the Orthodox world, often divided by nationalism. At the solemn liturgy in the cathedral of Kiev, and in the presence of various metropolitans from all over the world, the hierarchical order of the Eastern Church will be displayed, which recognizes the ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople as first in the hierarchy, followed by Alexandria, Antioch, Jerusalem, Moscow.

In recent days, there have been controversies and reactions from the Russian side over the role of Bartholomew as leader of the ceremonies. In the end, however, Moscow decided to be present in the liturgy with Alexy II himself. This acceptance on the part of Moscow is judged by many as a "victory" for Bartholomew I. For some time, Moscow ("the third Rome") has been contending with Constantinople ("the second Rome") for the position of leadership in the Orthodox world.

In recent days, some Ukrainian journalists have gone to visit Bartholomew, and this has allowed the patriarch to make some clarifications for those who understand Orthodoxy as "a battleground for primacy".

Bartholomew I first of all thanked Ukrainian President Yushenko for inviting him and the patriarch of Moscow, Alexy II, as well as all of the Orthodox Churches of the world. He then recalled the efforts of the patriarch of Constantinople to resolve in a collegial manner the problems afflicting the Orthodox world: the rebirth of the Albanian Church; the (contested) patriarchate of Jerusalem; the sufferings of the Church of Cyprus, etc. Bartholomew I emphasized that this effort (and primacy) is at the service of the sister Churches, and must not be understood as the primacy of the pope of Rome. "The ecumenical patriarcate", Bartholomew I said, "is sometimes accused of becoming a second pope, a pope of the Eastern Church. By its nature, the ecumenical patriarchate is not the pope of the East. In spite of this, everyone makes use of its services, because [Constantinople] is the mother Church of the Orthodox Christian world, its point of reference and coordination".

Bartholomew I recalled the evangelization of the Slavs, by Cyril and Methodius, which took place in respect of national identity, avoiding Hellenization; the autonomy granted to the churches of the Balkans, of Ukraine and Russia. "In its activities", the patriarch continued, "Constantinople's sole aim is the ecclesial and spiritual interest of human development, and not those of politics".

Bartholomew also thanked the Turkish authorities, who, for the first time, asked to be involved in the program of celebrations for the Christianization of Ukraine: the Turkish ambassador to Kiev will even hold a reception in honor of the delegation from the ecumenical patriarchate.

There are still some shadows hanging over the visit: Chrysostomos II, the Orthodox archbishop of Cyprus, had expressed his desire to go to Kiev, but after meeting with patriarch Alexy, he said that he will not be at the celebrations, "because the Church of Moscow does not want this". Chrysostomos even said that "Alexy told me that he is not happy with what is happening in Kiev". The statements of the archbishop of Cyprus were made in the context of visits to the island from various Russian political personalities, who promised their support for the solution of the Cypriot question.

So far, the ecumenical patriarchate has not commented on the stance of the Cypriot Church.

But in the intellectual Orthodox world, there are murmurs that "once again in the Orthodox world, national interests are prevailing over that of the universal message of Christ". A well-known Orthodox theologian, who wanted to remain anonymous, tells AsiaNews that "unfortunately, in the Orthodox world there are pockets where the globalizing spirit of the gas pipelines outweighs the universal spirit of Christ". "In this way", he concludes, "there is further confirmation of the importance of the role of Constantinople, which, rich in suffering and experience, has always refused to put national political interests before the message of Christ".

News by Asia News

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#295788 - 07/22/08 04:03 AM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: asianpilgrim]
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Great article and lots of healing words and good news (Turkey recognizing, with pride, the EP as one of its citizens) all around.

I am confused about the Cyprus paragraph. Can anyone clarify what the problem is there? Father Serge or Anthony perhaps? Thanks!

In Christ, our Hope,
Alice

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#295790 - 07/22/08 04:06 AM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: asianpilgrim]
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Thanks for all the posts "as the news turns". I enjoy reading these news reports on the FORUM as it develops before reading it next week in the various weeklies. As with any news, including CHURCH NEWS all these views give balance.

Mykhayl


Edited by Mykhayl (07/22/08 04:14 AM)

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#295802 - 07/22/08 08:52 AM Re: Ecumenical Patriarch to Lead Celebrations in Kyiv Next Week [Re: Mykhayl]
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Slava ISusu Khrestu

Hello Jean
I tried to send you a thank-you but I aways end up sending it to myself!
( Only I who just graduated from "The Neolithic-cave-painting school" can do )
So here goes
Slava Isusu Khrestu!

Djakujem/Thanks/Merci Mille Fois. Jean

for the information.

Z Bohom
Nycholaij
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