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#296591 - 08/05/08 10:44 AM
Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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The exarchate of the Jerusalem Patriarchate has formally ceased to exist in North America as of recently. The following is a new release concerning their new status and omophorion. In IC XC, Father Anthony+ FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 5, 2008
Contact: Ecumenical Office
Tel.: 212.570.3593
Email: ecumenical@goarch.org
Decisions on Some Palestinian and Jordanian Communities in the USA
New York, NY - After a long process that began in 1993 related to the ecclesiastical status of a portion of the Palestinian and Jordanian communities in the USA, the portion connected to the Patriarchate of Jerusalem, there has been a final agreed decision by the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople and the Patriarchate of Jerusalem concerning these communities. The Ecumenical Patriarchate and the Jerusalem Patriarchate have agreed that the canonical and pastoral supervision of these communities and their clergy should belong to the canonically established jurisdiction in the United States which is the Eparchy of the Ecumenical Throne in America, that is, the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America. Henceforth, the Patriarchate of Jerusalem no longer asserts any jurisdiction in the Western Hemisphere.
On Tuesday, April 1, 2008, His All Holiness Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew received His Beatitude Patriarch Theophilos III of Jerusalem, together with the senior member of the Holy Synod of the Jerusalem Patriarchate, Metropolitan Vasilios of Caesaria (Palestine) and other clergy. Final details for the implementation of the agreements were completed, with a mutual decision that these communities come under the canonical jurisdiction of the Archdiocese of America. Following the meeting at the Phanar, His Eminence Archbishop Demetrios of America was directed to proceed with the implementation of the agreements by the creation of a Vicariate for the inclusion of the clergy and communities within the Archdiocese of America. The official name of the Vicariate is: “Vicariate for Palestinian/Jordanian Communities in the USA.”
The clergy and communities of the Vicariate will be directly under the Archbishop of America and will report to the Archdiocese through the Vicar. Through the Archdiocese, all of these clergy and communities will be able to participate in the programs and agencies of SCOBA.
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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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#296606 - 08/05/08 12:22 PM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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What about the parish that was formed from the Ben Lomond split? Weren't they under the Jerusalem patriarchate? I was wondering the same thing... FDD
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#296612 - 08/05/08 01:21 PM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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Perhaps they should have a chat with Father David Anderson.
Fr. Serge
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#296645 - 08/05/08 09:40 PM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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It sure seems like Constantinople and Moscow are both gathering & consolidating their flocks and gearing up for some kind of Patriarchal Cold War.
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#296647 - 08/05/08 09:54 PM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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Perhaps they should have a chat with Father David Anderson.
Fr. Serge Yes, great point. I'm sure that he knows them, since he had such an active role in their entry into Orthodoxy to begin with. Fr. Deacon Daniel
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#296655 - 08/05/08 10:30 PM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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"Bites the dust" seems rather harsh for the topic.
"Patriarchs agree on structure of pastoral care for Palestinian and Jordanian immigrants" is more like it. I have to agree... it is a re-organization. Very interesting though. I had heard TOTALLY unsubstantiated rumors that parties within the JPs jurisdiction in the US had remained loyal to the deposed patriarch (Irenaios Skopelitis)... Had that been the case, that would have made the situation more complicated still.
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#296675 - 08/06/08 12:53 AM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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There's also the monastery in Reseca, GA ... I wonder under whose omiphorion they will find themselves? I can't imagine them going back with the OCA or ROCA at this point.
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#296846 - 08/07/08 10:09 PM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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The Greek Archdiocese has other parishes that are also old calendar, so this transfer should be no problem.
That is also true for the OCA, where here in Southern California there are at least two parishes that hold services following the old calendar. OCA's Western Diocese is pretty "Russian" and has lots of Old Calendar parishes.
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#296849 - 08/07/08 10:43 PM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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OCA's Western Diocese is pretty "Russian" and has lots of Old Calendar parishes. Don't you mean "Carpatho-Russian"?????
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#296864 - 08/08/08 08:19 AM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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Слава Ісусу Христy! In Canada, in Toronto there is one old calendar Greek Orthodox parish on the old Calendar, St Irene Chrysovalantou just off the Danforth near Pape , at 66 Gough Avenue Toronto, ON M4K 3N8 But I was told that in the near future all Greek Churches would be on the modified calendar.  There are advantages in celebrating Rizdvo and Paskha at a different time than the secular world Z Bohom Nycholaij
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#296871 - 08/08/08 10:07 AM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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Toronto certainly has more than one Greek Orthodox parish using the traditional calendar. Unfortunately, divisions within the traditionalist community can give the impression that the "other" parishes do not exist.
Fr. Serge
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#296874 - 08/08/08 11:22 AM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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OCA's Western Diocese is pretty "Russian" and has lots of Old Calendar parishes. Don't you mean "Carpatho-Russian"????? I was actually thinking of the "Russian Missionary Deanery" in San Francisco. And, as far as I understand, OCA has been pretty much Russified, with the ACROD taking in those interested in maintaining their Carpatho-Russian or Rusyn identity.
Edited by asianpilgrim (08/08/08 11:26 AM)
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#296877 - 08/08/08 11:53 AM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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And, as far as I understand, OCA has been pretty much Russified, with the ACROD taking in those interested in maintaining their Carpatho-Russian or Rusyn identity.
But then you are writing from the Philipines aren't you. If you visit some of the historical small parishes in PA you will find remnents of Carpatho-Rusyn customs. There is a strong Old Calendar Greek Orthodox community in the Toronto area including Southern Ontario. Many of the laypeople have their origins in the islands un the EP which like Mt. Athos continued to use the Old Calendar.
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#296892 - 08/08/08 02:26 PM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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Thanks for the correction, then. Of course, I was basing myself on what I've been reading.
Please note, though, that my original comment was about OCADOW, not necessarily about OCA as a whole.
By the way, I've noticed that when some people want to correct me, they refer to my nationality. Does the fact that I'm Filipino mean that I am automatically disqualified from making comments based on what I've read and researched? Are we not all, in one way or another, in the same situation? We cannot always visit every place about which we'd like to know something, but in this day and age of immense and quick information at our fingertips, it is certainly permissible to amass information and make educated assumptions on these. We live in an age where a newspaper in Nairobi can comment on a crisis in France, where a Korean newspaper can comment on the cultural scene in New York, where a blogger in Kuala Lumpur can pontificate about what Rome says, and where a periodical in New Zealand can editorialize on the ecclesiastical rumbles in Ukraine.
Mind you, I read a lot of nonsense on my country and about Asia as a whole from American-based writers, but I will never dream of criticizing them on the basis of where they live or what their nationality is. Yes, distance from the place about which I am commenting may increase the chances that I am in error, but it is not a proof that I am indeed wrong.
I find this to be an ugly tactic and I hope people here stop using it against me. If you find that I'm saying something wrong, please leave my nationality out of it.
Edited by asianpilgrim (08/08/08 02:41 PM)
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#296896 - 08/08/08 02:44 PM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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Thanks for the correction, then. Of course, I was basing myself on what I've been reading.
Please note, though, that my original comment was about OCADOW, not necessarily about OCA as a whole.
By the way, I've noticed that when some people want to correct me, they refer to my nationality. Does the fact that I'm Filipino mean that I am automatically disqualified from making comments based on what I've read and researched? Are we not all, in one way or another, in the same situation? We cannot always visit every place about which we'd like to know something, but in this day and age of immense and quick information at our fingertips, it is certainly permissible to amass information and make educated assumptions on these.
Mind you, I read a lot of nonsense on my country and about Asia as a whole from American-based writers, but I will never dream of criticizing them on the basis of where they live or what their nationality is.
I find this to be an ugly tactic and I hope people here stop using it against me. If you find that I'm saying something wrong, leave my nationality out of it! Dear Caloy: Please do not take offense! Perhaps it was plain inadvertence on the poster's part in referring to our beloved country as the origin of your posts, without intending to denigrate OUR nationality. That would be a veiled form of racism totally unacceptable in an intelligent discourse. I, in particular, value your contributions to these discussions as they add another perspective, as interesting as yours, to the issues at hand. Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!Amado
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#296949 - 08/08/08 11:23 PM
Re: Another Orthodox jurisdiction bites the dust
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OCA's Western Diocese is pretty "Russian" and has lots of Old Calendar parishes. Don't you mean "Carpatho-Russian"????? Actually, the western diocese of the OCA is the most Russified in all the OCA. Many churches there are almost up to ROCOR standards. If one was accustomed to the OCA praxis, of say, the Lehigh Valley, one might assume that one were in a ROCOR Church as opposed to an OCA Church if attending services in some of the parishes of the OCA Diocese of the West. Alexandr
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