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#297178 - 08/12/08 12:26 PM Vatican: Don't say "YHWH"
asianpilgrim Offline
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The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments has issued a Letter to Bishops' Conferences forbidding the use and vocalization of "YHWH" (Yahweh, Jehovah, etc.) in the liturgy, song and prayer.

Please see the following links:

http://communio.stblogs.org/2008/08/on-the-use-of-the-name-of-god.html

http://thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2008/08/cdw-issues-directives-on-use-and.html

The latter link has a link to a scan of the Letter itself.

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#297194 - 08/12/08 05:49 PM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: asianpilgrim]
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Glory and thanks to God - and praise and honor to Pope Benedict!

Fr. Serge

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#297203 - 08/12/08 09:31 PM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: Serge Keleher]
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Blessed be the name of the Lord from henceforth and forevermore.

Fr David Straut

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#297204 - 08/12/08 09:33 PM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: Serge Keleher]
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I was always troubled by this practise in the Jerusalem Bible. It seemed a deliberate sacrilege.

Fr David Straut

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#297207 - 08/12/08 10:43 PM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: Fr David Straut]
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I grew up so famliiar with it (including that _The Jerusalem Bible_ was our family Bible) that I never gave it much thought until I read Charles Williams' novel _All Hallows Eve_.

Now, hopefully the CDF will issue a reminder that it is a mortal sin to use the *pronounceable* names of God as expletives.

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#297216 - 08/13/08 05:12 AM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: John C. Hathaway]
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I grew up more familiar with Jehovah than Yawheh. The only context I even remember noticing that form of the name of God was its use in some of those dreadful "Glory & Praise" hymns - and I use the term "hymns" very loosely.

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#297222 - 08/13/08 07:42 AM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: byzanTN]
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Quote:

I was always troubled by this practise in the Jerusalem Bible. It seemed a deliberate sacrilege


Whereas I never saw it as a sacrilege, it was at the very least distracting to me in the Jerusalem Bible (my favorite translation for devotional reading). That is why I was so excited when CTS issued a version of the Jerusalem Bible which replaced all instances of the Name with "LORD".

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#297226 - 08/13/08 09:12 AM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: francis]
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In a study Bible, use of the name YHWH certainly makes the original sense the text clearer. That doesn't justify its use in a liturgical setting. Using YHWH in hymns is even worse.

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#297227 - 08/13/08 09:24 AM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: CRW]
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Originally Posted By: CRW
In a study Bible, use of the name YHWH certainly makes the original sense the text clearer. That doesn't justify its use in a liturgical setting. Using YHWH in hymns is even worse.


It's not necessary even in the case of a study Bible. What many Bibles have done over the years when translating the tetragrammaton is to use "LORD," as opposed to "Lord."

Ryan

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#297236 - 08/13/08 11:59 AM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: byzanTN]
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I wonder how fast this word will get to church musicians who regularly schedule a hymn that specifically uses this Divine Name. And I wonder if this will be one of a number of disobediences we have become accustomed to see in the English-speaking Latin Church.

BOB

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#297239 - 08/13/08 12:32 PM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: John C. Hathaway]
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Originally Posted By: John C. Hathaway
I grew up so famliiar with it (including that _The Jerusalem Bible_ was our family Bible) that I never gave it much thought until I read Charles Williams' novel _All Hallows Eve_.


One of my favorite novels!!!

Fr. Deacon Daniel

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#297248 - 08/13/08 04:40 PM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: ebed melech]
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I've never been present at a Mass, to my recollection, in which YHWH was read or said/sung.

Alexis

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#297249 - 08/13/08 04:47 PM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: Logos - Alexis]
francis Offline
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Alexis,

I believe Bob was referring to the (unfortunately) very popular song "You are Near" which includes the Divine Name.

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#297251 - 08/13/08 04:54 PM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: francis]
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I've been at youth masses where there are contemporary worship songs with the Name present. I've never had to sit through "You are Near" which I suppose it as blessing of sorts smile

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#297256 - 08/13/08 05:21 PM Re: Vatican: Don't say "YHWH" [Re: Logos - Alexis]
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Alexis:

francis is right. We were just treated to that one in my parish this past Sunday.

Should I cut and past this and give it to my pastor and our choir director?

BOB


Edited by theophan (08/13/08 05:22 PM)

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