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#307703 - 12/19/08 06:44 PM Baptism & Grace
Michael_Thoma Member Registered: 07/10/05 Posts: 1929 Loc: Chicago	One reason the Roman Church [sometimes] accepts as Grace-filled (valid) the baptism performed by non-Christians is the story of St. Genesius: http://highchurchdrifters.blogspot.com/2008/08/feast-of-st-genesius-august-25th.html Obviously there are exceptions because the Church does not accept as valid baptisms of Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons.
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#307864 - 12/21/08 10:24 PM Re: Baptism & Grace [Re: Michael_Thoma]
Prester John Member Registered: 01/10/08 Posts: 218 Loc: USA	I believe that this would be, at the least, considered a baptism by blood and of desire, by any account.
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#307872 - 12/22/08 12:40 AM Re: Baptism & Grace [Re: Prester John]
Hieromonk Ambrose Member Registered: 03/22/06 Posts: 1219 Loc: New Zealand	I wonder if the Church would have accepted this as Baptism. They would have perfomed a Baptism later. This of course did not happen since Genesius was subjected to torture and death immediately and died bravely as a martyr for Christ. One other point... the Roman Church does not accept Baptisms performed by non-Christians unless that person has the intention of doing what the Church does. In this case, Genesius' "baptizers" were full of blasphemy and scorn for Baptism and what it meant.
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