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Swinging the censer 360 degrees. #308762 01/05/09 05:12 AM
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I have seen a few times during Russian Orthodox and Russian Catholic Divine Liturgies in which the priest will swing the censer in a 360 vertical circle before the royal doors when incensing the iconostasis.
Is this only done in Russian churches or is it done in other Orthodox/Byzantine Catholic liturgies as well?
Is there an official rubric to swing the censer in this manner or is this let to the preference of the priest?

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Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: griego catolico] #308764 01/05/09 05:26 AM
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In more than 16 years in this rite I've never seen it done there, only in some Anglican churches and not the most RC-like ones.

Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: The young fogey] #308766 01/05/09 05:34 AM
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Not sure you'd call it a rubric, more like common sense or ease of use, more to the point: not spilling hot coals and incense. smile

The easiest way of bringing the censer with you as you turn from the Holy Doors to the West (i.e., back of the church) is to swing it over you head at the end of the last altar-facing incensation. Otherwise you end up with a quiet period as you turn with the censer held at the bottom of the swing, or some ungainly attempts at keeping incensing while turning.

Of course, one must check the chains well before censing--or trust the qandalaft/sacristan or sub-deacon!

Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: Matta] #308768 01/05/09 05:38 AM
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Since I've been a member of the OCA, I've seen this done by just about every priest. Might be a Russian thing. I've never seen a Greek Catholic priest swing it that way.

Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: Etnick] #308776 01/05/09 09:18 AM
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UGCC and Romanians do it as well. It certainly helps if the priest or deacon have practiced but it certianly helps to turn while still swinging the censer. I first saw it done by a Coptic Orthodox bishop years ago and was impressed as he did this on each side of the altar as he went around. He hit no one and lost no coals.

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Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: Pavel Ivanovich] #308778 01/05/09 10:36 AM
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If I recollect correctly, there is a thread buried somewhere here that relates a few hair-raising tales associated with this.

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: The young fogey] #308783 01/05/09 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by The young fogey
In more than 16 years in this rite I've never seen it done there, only in some Anglican churches and not the most RC-like ones.


Yep--this is done in my parish church during processions. Three 360 degree swings by the thurifer when passing in front of the high altar and when the procession is returning back down the main aisle to the sanctuary.

Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: Etnick] #308806 01/05/09 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Etnick
Since I've been a member of the OCA, I've seen this done by just about every priest. Might be a Russian thing. I've never seen a Greek Catholic priest swing it that way.


LOL!!! Not at you specifically Etnick...This thread makes me chuckle...I can recall a priest (don't remember if he was BCC or UGCC) about 25 years ago...I loved it, and always managed to "duck" when swung the kadilo... laugh

Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: Job] #308807 01/05/09 04:25 PM
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Yes - we do it in the UGCC. I've been getting more comfortable with the 360 degree swing myself...

It certainly requires a quick wrist and a liitle bit of courage!

(not to mention good peripheral vision! No one wants to take out an acolyte with the censer!)

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Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: ebed melech] #308889 01/06/09 04:48 PM
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I've done it both in the Melkite and Latin Churches -- and my Melkite pastor does it as well.

Fr. Deacon Ed

Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: Father Deacon Ed] #308958 01/07/09 05:16 AM
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Anyone - Please, please, PLEASE.. post a video of this!

Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: Michael_Thoma] #309195 01/09/09 04:04 AM
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Here is a video on Youtube which shows some 360 swinging of the censer during Pascha at the ROC cathedral in Mayfield, PA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCn6g4d3F0I&feature=related

Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: griego catolico] #309229 01/09/09 12:09 PM
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We're having procession before Mass on Sunday for the Baptism of the Lord, I will try to shoot video of the triple 360 swings the thurifer makes as he passes in front of the high altar. It really is something to see considering the size of the censer and amount of smoke pouring out of it.

Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: Father Deacon Ed] #309283 01/09/09 08:29 PM
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Is there any point to it, other than the dramatic flair? LOL.

Alexis

Re: Swinging the censer 360 degrees. [Re: ebed melech] #309284 01/09/09 08:47 PM
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That's the only way I've ever done it (the "cathedral swing" as I was taught) unless it is a mission or outreach situation with a low ceiling.

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